Kobe says trade me right effing now

[StrayBullet]

Originally Posted by moon

Sure he wasn't 100% responsible for him leaving but he certainly had a part to play in it by not wanting Shaq to stay. I don't think he is a bad guy for wanting Shaq gone I think he is an idiot. Had Shaq stayed Kobe would have had a shot at at least 5-8 more titles. Instead his ego got in the way he wanted to prove that he could win without Shaq and he was wrong.

I hate Kobe because he is selfish, a cry baby, a dirty player, a rapist and the epitome of everything that is wrong with basketball and its players today.

Kobe deserves every bit of ill will sent his way and has brought it on himself for the way he has acted throughout his career.

It always amazes me how many Kobe apologists out there who believe this poor Kobe BS and that he is such a matyr.

When did anyone say he was a martyr? People like yourself only have one image that they keep of Kobe. They hold onto that one impression because of what has happened or what they think happened over the years in LA. He's the athlete people love to hate.

As said in the interviews, Shaq was not going to stay in LA. Jerry Buss was not going to let it happen, especially since Jerry West had left the franchise. Shaq didn't want to stay anyway. He didn't want to play with Kobe anymore. The thing is people like yourself insist that it was all Kobe's fault that the Lakers didn't win more thean 3 titles. It was all Kobe's fault because of his ego. So, I ask, Shaq never had an ego? Phil Jackson never had an ego? Michael Jordan never had an ego?

All of these athletes have egos. They're the best at what they do.
How can you say that he was wrong because he belives that he can win without Shaq? Kobe is in his prime and is still the best player in the league. He has changed as an athlete and has changed his game. Being this "selfish player" or "dirty" or whatever it is you think is not exactly a part of his game. Watch a Lakers game and figure it out yourself.

"The epitome of what's worng with players today" ??? hmmm...The best player in the league and he's what's wrong. The truest talent of this generation. Yea, he's so wrong.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by StrayBullet

Read the story, he's retracted his "demands".

Probably because he talked ot the owner and they are going to bow down to his every demand....the fact that these guys making all this money to play a sport can cry about so much just blows my mind. I hope one day an owner will stand up to one of these guys and pay them their money but make them sit on the bench for 2-4 years of their contract...

[moon]

Originally Posted by StrayBullet

"The epitome of what's worng with players today" ??? hmmm...The best player in the league and he's what's wrong. The truest talent of this generation. Yea, he's so wrong.

I have seen plenty of Lakers games and Kobe's game and I don't think he is the best player in the league or the "truest talent" of his generation, so yes he can be whats wrong. He is a dick and criminal off the court. A "me" player on and off the court and that is what is wrong with the league.

Not sure how he is better than Duncan, Nash, Wade or Lebron. These guys alll not only play at an exceptional level they are able to make their teammates better players. Thats what I haven't seen from Kobe.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Lebron is currently choking away a game 5 win.

Edit: Haha I was wrong - Lebron scores 29/30 points for the Cavs in the late 4th and 2OTs and Cavs win! I guess he really is the best player in the NBA!

[I wanna be like Miikka]

Originally Posted by moon

I have seen plenty of Lakers games and Kobe's game and I don't think he is the best player in the league or the "truest talent" of his generation, so yes he can be whats wrong. He is a dick and criminal off the court. A "me" player on and off the court and that is what is wrong with the league.

Not sure how he is better than Duncan, Nash, Wade or Lebron. These guys alll not only play at an exceptional level they are able to make their teammates better players. Thats what I haven't seen from Kobe.

Man stop embarassing yourself moon. You don't even address the real points and you just state that Kobe "probably" had something to do with Shaq leaving. Buss said he was not resigning Shaq regardless of what Kobe did during that offseason. Just read the damn details before you say useless comments. Sure kobe made his mistake with that girl but do you honestly think that was rape. You think Kobe Bryant had to rape a girl to have sex...... right. Try thinking before you have a useless hate on for the most talented player in the NBA.

[moon]

Originally Posted by I wanna be like Miikka

Man stop embarassing yourself moon. You don't even address the real points and you just state that Kobe "probably" had something to do with Shaq leaving. Buss said he was not resigning Shaq regardless of what Kobe did during that offseason. Just read the damn details before you say useless comments. Sure kobe made his mistake with that girl but do you honestly think that was rape. You think Kobe Bryant had to rape a girl to have sex...... right. Try thinking before you have a useless hate on for the most talented player in the NBA.

I never said probably had something to do with it. I said that if he wanted Shaq to stay he could have told Buss that and I am sure that Buss would have kept Shaq. Instead he kept quiet because he wanted to show that he could win without him. No probably in that. I have read the damn details.

I don't have that much hatred for Kobe. There are many others I dislike more than him and have stated before that he is not the most talented player in the league. If he is than he sure isn't doing much to help his team with all that "talent."

[I wanna be like Miikka]

Originally Posted by moon

I never said probably had something to do with it. I said that if he wanted Shaq to stay he could have told Buss that and I am sure that Buss would have kept Shaq. Instead he kept quiet because he wanted to show that he could win without him. No probably in that. I have read the damn details.

I don't have that much hatred for Kobe. There are many others I dislike more than him and have stated before that he is not the most talented player in the league. If he is than he sure isn't doing much to help his team with all that "talent."

You flat out called him a criminal for the "rape" charge. You are just trying to find reasons to hate Kobe, instead of blaming Buss who didnt want Shaq you blame Kobe for not trying to convince Buss to keep him. Remember what happened when vince carter convinced management to sign alvin williams, JYD, Antonio Davis etc. to massive long contracts.... Sure he could have done something but it is not HIS fault that Shaq left. Kobe didn't come out and say that he didnt tell Buss to keep Shaq so you can't just assume that he didnt speak out because he was a selfish player who wanted his own team. Plus in the article it says that Buss told Kobe it didnt matter if he signed in LA or not because they weren't bringing Shaq back, they wanted the value for him right now because he was an older center (who usually become a lot worse within a few years).

As for talent, he is one of the best in the NBA (82 points or whatever in 1 game). The guy has 3 championships and brought a Laker team to the playoffs 2 consecutive years in a tough Western conference. You want to compare the teams of the superstars previously mentioned. Kobe has Kwame, Smush Parker, Odom, Walton etc. Nash has Amare, Marion, Bell, Barbosa while Lebron has Ilgauskus, Hughes, Gooden, Marshall, Damon Jones. All 3 of those players are amazing but if Kobe had a better halfcourt then his team would be competing on the same levels of the other superstars. He does make players better and if you watched him the last 2 years he has changed his game a lot, he makes more passes at better times as seen in last years Suns-Lakers series where he actually took too much heat for not shooting enough. He makes players around him better and while it is tough to coin one player as the most talented in the league, an easy argument can be made for Kobe.

Either way your argument is just stacked with assumptions and useless hate ons like the fact that he "Raped" a girl and that he purposely chose not to speak out about Shaq cuz he wanted his own team. I'm done talkin with you about this subject because it is clear how easy you let personal opinions get in the way of a logical discussion.

[moon]

Originally Posted by I wanna be like Miikka

Either way your argument is just stacked with assumptions and useless hate ons like the fact that he "Raped" a girl and that he purposely chose not to speak out about Shaq cuz he wanted his own team. I'm done talkin with you about this subject because it is clear how easy you let personal opinions get in the way of a logical discussion.

Ya its me who is letting personal feelings get in the way of a logical discussion.

Since you are done I won't bother responding to your points but you do seem to have a hard time reading as I have mentioned it wasn't his fault for Shaq not coming back already. I think it was dumb of him for not wanting him to come back and that if he wanted him back he could have made it happen, but it wasn't his fault.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by I wanna be like Miikka

Sure kobe made his mistake with that girl but do you honestly think that was rape. You think Kobe Bryant had to rape a girl to have sex...... right.

Rape isn't always about sex.

[StrayBullet]

Wow. This conversation is ridiculous. You would think that someone who could talk so much smack about a player, would actually know something about the sport and the league. I guess not.

...be like miika - It's obvious moon has this personal vendetta against Kobe if he truly believes what he posts. If he really doesn't think Kobe is doing wonders with the garbage bag of teammates he has compared to Nash and the Suns, Wade and the Heat (with Shaq, mind you) and Duncan and the Spurs, then it's clear indication that he is ignorant to the daily going of the NBA and basketball. It's actually insulting.

moon - Why would it be dumb for an athlete to prove that he can lead a team? Why is it dumb for any athlete in any sport to believe that he can win any and every game? It's the killer instinct that great superstars have - From Joe Montana to Wayne Gretzky to Tiger to Michael to Tom Brady, etc. Kobe - just like them - wanted it just as much as anyone else in the league. The fact that you still think that he's a "me" player makes me question your credibility. I really don't think you watch the sport, rather just watch TSN and SportsNet highlights to form your opinion.

[StrayBullet]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Rape isn't always about sex.

...and so he supposedly raped her because she didn't ask him to sleep with her or she wasn't after a paycheque. ...okay, I get it now.

[StrayBullet]

Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford

Lebron .... I guess he really is the best player in the NBA!

He's making his way to get there, but not quite. He impressed me. I don't like Lebron, but he impressed me last night.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by StrayBullet

...and so he supposedly raped her because she didn't ask him to sleep with her or she wasn't after a paycheque. ...okay, I get it now.

You on crack, son?

I said nothing about Kobe in my post, nor was I implying anything about his current situation. I was merely pointing out the fallacy of Miikka's argument.

[StrayBullet]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

You on crack, son?

I said nothing about Kobe in my post, nor was I implying anything about his current situation. I was merely pointing out the fallacy of Miikka's argument.

Yes. I live for the glass pipe.

[I wanna be like Miikka]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

You on crack, son?

I said nothing about Kobe in my post, nor was I implying anything about his current situation. I was merely pointing out the fallacy of Miikka's argument.

Yeah I understood what you were saying, I wasnt intending it to come across the way it did. My point bringing up the rape incident is just that you can't choose a side and say he IS a criminal because he DID rape a girl when there is plenty of logic and evidence forming a counter argument. I mean that girl had a history of sleeping around (4 people the month b4 that or something) and she even flew to Calgary and partied hard here.

[moon]

Originally Posted by StrayBullet

...be like miika - It's obvious moon has this personal vendetta against Kobe if he truly believes what he posts. If he really doesn't think Kobe is doing wonders with the garbage bag of teammates he has compared to Nash and the Suns, Wade and the Heat (with Shaq, mind you) and Duncan and the Spurs, then it's clear indication that he is ignorant to the daily going of the NBA and basketball. It's actually insulting.

moon - Why would it be dumb for an athlete to prove that he can lead a team? Why is it dumb for any athlete in any sport to believe that he can win any and every game? It's the killer instinct that great superstars have - From Joe Montana to Wayne Gretzky to Tiger to Michael to Tom Brady, etc. Kobe - just like them - wanted it just as much as anyone else in the league. The fact that you still think that he's a "me" player makes me question your credibility. I really don't think you watch the sport, rather just watch TSN and SportsNet highlights to form your opinion.

I have no personal vendetta against Kobe. I don't think he is the clearly most talented player in the league or his generation and that he has done alot of things over his career to bring the hate on himself.

He certainly is in the top five players talentwise but how you can say that he is physically more talented than Lebron, Wade or KG is beyond me and that he is a better BB player than Nash, Nowitski, Wade, Lebron, Duncan is equally crazy in my mind. In my view Nash, Kobe, Duncan, Lebron and Wade are all about equal overall and to say that one is better than the other is highly debateable.

I am busy now and will get back to the other points by tomorrow.

[moon]

Originally Posted by StrayBullet

...be like miika - It's obvious moon has this personal vendetta against Kobe if he truly believes what he posts. If he really doesn't think Kobe is doing wonders with the garbage bag of teammates he has compared to Nash and the Suns, Wade and the Heat (with Shaq, mind you) and Duncan and the Spurs, then it's clear indication that he is ignorant to the daily going of the NBA and basketball. It's actually insulting.

moon - Why would it be dumb for an athlete to prove that he can lead a team? Why is it dumb for any athlete in any sport to believe that he can win any and every game? It's the killer instinct that great superstars have - From Joe Montana to Wayne Gretzky to Tiger to Michael to Tom Brady, etc. Kobe - just like them - wanted it just as much as anyone else in the league. The fact that you still think that he's a "me" player makes me question your credibility. I really don't think you watch the sport, rather just watch TSN and SportsNet highlights to form your opinion.

I never compared Kobe's teammates to SA, Phoenix or Miami. I compared Kobe to Nash, Duncan and Wade though. But it is good to see that you were able to make stuff up so you could be insulted. I would say the fact that you feel the need to maufacture arguments with is more ignorant than anything else in this thread.

It isn't dumb for an athlete to want to prove that he can lead a team, but unlike those guys you mentioned Kobe hasn't shown that he can lead a team on his own yet. If he were about winning than he would have realised that a team with him and Shaq would have been able to compete for another 8-10 years. I never heard of Gretzky asking Sather to get rid of Messier so he could lead a team on his own or Montana wanting to dump Rice. They were able to lead their teams and show the killer instinct while working well with the other stars on their team.