Jerry Falwell Dead

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Stranger

I read something somewhere today that he chose religion over an invitation to play for the St. Louis Cardinals when he was young.

It could have been Stan "the man" Musial and Jerry.

He saw a homosexual "agenda" on the Teletubbies. I can't even imagine what he saw in all the snug uniforms and communal showering that went on in a baseball locker room

It's not apparent in the mainstream media that I've seen, but this guy's death has been met with sneers, jokes and downright mockery from what I've read on this forum and heard from people in the real world (and from myself).

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Wow.

I didn't see that one coming. How will Falwell's death affect the religious right, and conservative Christianity? Will the extremists be galvanized, or will there be a vacuum created in his very noticable absence?

I'm sure they will just find someone else to tell them who to vote for.

[HOZ]

Yes, let us all mock a man's passing because we disagreed with him. How brave of you all!

Reminds me of the Edmonton rabies thread. Another proud moment in 2007 on CP!

[TheyCallMeBruce]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Yes, let us all mock a man's passing because we disagreed with him. How brave of you all!

Reminds me of the Edmonton rabies thread. Another proud moment in 2007 on CP!

Yeah, for shame! I mean, I would never mock someone by proclaiming them darwin award winners, say for example like they were killed by elephants or something. No, never

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Yes, let us all mock a man's passing because we disagreed with him. How brave of you all!

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...772#post850772

When stupid meets Elephant!
I am no Crocodile Hunter but man I spotted the problems and the warning signs. 1 dead, 2 injured

Darwin award winner!!!

Please Hoz, explain to us when then, it is acceptable to mock someone's death? Because apparently you seem to have rules on when it is, and isn't okay.

Friggin hypocrite.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Yes, let us all mock a man's passing because we disagreed with him. How brave of you all!

Reminds me of the Edmonton rabies thread. Another proud moment in 2007 on CP!

The Old Time Hypocrisy Hour . . . . a commentary.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2812594.shtml

Cowperson

[Ayrahb]

For a truly strong reaction to Falwell's death, check out last night's transcript of Anderson Cooper 360:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...15/acd.01.html

Scroll down to the Christopher Hitchens interview.

Here is a little teaser:

"People like that should be out in the street, shouting and hollering with a cardboard sign and selling pencils from a cup. The whole consideration of this -- of this horrible little person is offensive to very, very many of us who have some regard for truth and for morality, and who think that ethics do not require that lies be told to children by evil old men, that we're -- we're not told that people who believe like Falwell will be snatched up into heaven, where I'm glad to see he skipped the rapture, just found on the floor of his office, while the rest of us go to hell. "


"Lots of people are going to die and are already leading miserable lives because of the nonsense preached by this man, and because of the absurd way that we credit anyone who can say they're a person of faith."

[nmhen]

ha....Hitchens is not exactly the most impartial spokesman on the topic, but his conviction cracks me up.

EDIT: Just reread and realized this could be construed as me siding with the evangelists. Couldn't be farther from the truth. Just wanted to clarify.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by nmhen

ha....Hitchens is not exactly the most impartial spokesman on the topic, but his conviction cracks me up.

Hitchens has a new book out . . . . . with excerpts in the National Post . . . . it would make a good thread itself.

Let's face it though . . . . Falwell will be missed by millions while the other millions dance on his grave.

Cowperson

[ah123]

The following (below) had me wondering how much of what Falwell said was "his belief" vs "a way to raise funds"...still he seems to have caused much grief to many...

COOPER: There was an incident I read about where you were riding in a limousine with him, and there was a demonstration.

WHITE: Yes.

COOPER: And he was speaking about gay people. What was it he said?

WHITE: We were surrounded by gay protesters.

That's when I thought I was sick and sinful myself, before I realized that homosexuality is a gift from God to be accepted and celebrated. But, in that limousine, he said to me one day: I just love these gay demonstrators. Without them, I wouldn't get near the attention I get. If I didn't have them, I would have to invent them.

So, we played into his hand, in many ways.

COOPER: You think it was, in some ways, a way to raise money? I mean, he needed to raise a lot of money every year.

WHITE: Oh, yes.

He raised more money off the gay threat than any -- than off any other single cause. Maybe abortion ties with it. But he used these incredible pictures of gays as promiscuous, as gays as child abusers, as gays a threat to the nation, to the family. He went on and on, and undermining the American values.

He said these things. He created us as a scapegoat. And then he said, now, send me money, and I will create an environment here in Liberty University campus where young people will be trained not to be gay, where they will get over their sexual orientation problems.

[Delthefunky]

Larry Flynt is on Larry King Live tonight

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by ah123

The following (below) had me wondering how much of what Falwell said was "his belief" vs "a way to raise funds"...still he seems to have caused much grief to many...

That kind of supports Hitchen's view of Falwell being a Biblical thug. Interesting. I've thought Hitchen's is a little over the top, but he's majorly driven after Sept. 11th.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

There are LOTS worse than Falwell out there. You just wait and see what is coming up in the next generation of "Christians". Prepare the vomit bags!!!

Please, Lanny, tell us who is "LOTS worse than Falwell out there"?

Comments like this piss me off. How different is this kind of blatant stereotyping from what so many Christian fundamentalists do when they lump together the "gays", the "liberals", and the "socialists" as some collective group of pariahs?

Given that Christianity is the largest religious group on the planet, and given that the VAST majority of Catholic (most of whom are moderate), Eastern Orthodox, Protestant reformationist and Anglican Christians have always been fairly generally mortified by Falwell and his ilk. Sure there are a number of fundamentalist biggots, and I am certain that there will always be someone available to carry Falwell's bullhorn, but don't you dare paint us in Christendom who are collectively embarrassed by this man with the same brush.

"Christianity" and Falwell's brand of politicized faith are different entities altogether.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ah123

The following (below) had me wondering how much of what Falwell said was "his belief" vs "a way to raise funds"...still he seems to have caused much grief to many...

I really do not think in his case that there was a clear line of distinction. For Falwell and for others who are likeminded, everything tends to be a means to the all important end. I believe that he was sincere in his conviction that eternal punishment was the greatest danger to all of humanity, and that the only way to save mankind was to adopt his wholescale, "all or nothing" approach to biblical inerrency. In Falwell's estimation, there is always the greater good, which happened to be something intangible, immeasurable and beyond the pale of any sort of objective ontological discovery. Because of this, he was able to promote his solution through his brand of the Gospel through any means necessary without guilt, and without fear of crossing any sort of ethically defined boundary. "Fundraising" was just another word for "evangelizating".

[TheyCallMeBruce]

Actually, Textcritic is right. Most Evangelical Christians think Falwell is a nut as well.

[nmhen]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Please, Lanny, tell us who is "LOTS worse than Falwell out there"?

Comments like this piss me off. How different is this kind of blatant stereotyping from what so many Christian fundamentalists do when they lump together the "gays", the "liberals", and the "socialists" as some collective group of pariahs?

Given that Christianity is the largest religious group on the planet, and given that the VAST majority of Catholic (most of whom are moderate), Eastern Orthodox, Protestant reformationist and Anglican Christians have always been fairly generally mortified by Falwell and his ilk. Sure there are a number of fundamentalist biggots, and I am certain that there will always be someone available to carry Falwell's bullhorn, but don't you dare paint us in Christendom who are collectively embarrassed by this man with the same brush.

"Christianity" and Falwell's brand of politicized faith are different entities altogether.

Well, a few bad apples..., you know?

Personally, I think this is our (notice I said "our") cross to bear (that was intentional). I'm generally loathe to bring up my own religious belief because I don't want to be painted - or even invite the possibility that I could be - in the same color as those on the extreme edges of "my" religion (generally speaking. I'm Episcopalian, in it's own right a unique experience in "inclusionism").

This all gets back to my personal position that MY religious orientation need not be advertised as anything more than my business, and mine alone. I really don't care who you think God is, or if you even think God exists at all. It doesn't make me feel any better if you subscribe to "my" brand of religion or not. I'll leave you alone, and I'll expect you to do the same.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Yes, let us all mock a man's passing because we disagreed with him. How brave of you all!

I agree. I'm a Christian who doesn't care for Falwell, but geez.

[Delthefunky]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Given that Christianity is the largest religious group on the planet...

Just wondering, but is this true? I thought it was Muslim

[arloiginla]

I'm a Christian and I don't agree with Falwell's views at all. Thanks for lumping us all together.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Delthefunky

Just wondering, but is this true? I thought it was Muslim

Statistically speaking, Christians of all different kind number 2.1 billion worldwide. Comparitively, there are 1.3 billion Muslims; this according to BBC's quite informative website:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/