Liberals won't run candidate against Green leader

[ben voyonsdonc]

I'm not trying to be disagreeable but my point is that Calgary Southwest to the Conservatives is completely analogous to Saint-Laurent-Cartierville for the Libs. The only way that either party would ever lose those seats would be if there was a monumental disaster...

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

Well I am no green party expert. Just telling you what I heard on the radio in both cases. When she was on here in NS, she was talking about "controlling gov't spending", "keeping our debt in line", etc etc. Could be all buzzword talk for all I know, but she was not spitting out actually anything environmentally related then.

Actually you are right...the former Green leader Jim Harris and current Green Leader Elizabeth May are both former Mulroney Tories. They haven't been a left wing party since they were led by Joan Russow (who joined the NDP once Jim Harris took over the leadership of the party). May and Harris both pushed the fact that they were 'fiscally responsible' as their economic plan...they prefer to use tax incentives rather than government spending to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Rerun

He talks the talk but when he had the chance as Environmental minister it was all talk and no action. All show and no go.

There were a lot of similarities to the PC's and the Alliance and there was always talk about some kind of a merger... and guess what happened ... they merged. But there has never been talk of a merger between the NDP and the Liberals and both parties are so completely different from each other.... the only thing they have in common is their hate for the Conservatives.

This is hilarious! What happened to the old "Liberal, Tory same old story" refrain from the Reform party if they had so much in common? Why was there such a backlash to Brian Mulroony and his PC party if there were so many similar issues between the two?

The fact is that this is the same issue; vote splitting and the retention of power. It has nothing to do with policy and even less to do with partisanship. IF the Greens or NDP manage to take that riding it is better for Dion and the Liberals pure and simple.

Dion is not going to lose his riding, and of course Harper is not going to lose his. It makes no difference who runs against them, and if the other parties didn't run candidates it wouldn't be a big deal.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Slava

Where are you getting this from? (The 10-20 ridings) Let's not forget that the Reform party never ran candidates in PQ for years and no one out here had a problem with that.

The fact is that this has nothing to do with them being a national party; they were never going to win the riding and they are trying to concentrate the vote in that riding against the conservative. This same thing basically took place in the Calgary-Centre riding with Joe Clark a few years back, although then it was unofficial.

Yesterday cbc ran an news article about how the Libs and the Greens might not run in several ridings not just McKays. Nothing more has been said about that other than the Greens will not run against Dion in his riding.

The reform party was not a national party, it was a regional party. The Liberals and the Greens are a national party and as far as I am concerned, deciding not to run a candidate in a riding because you want to remove the incumbant, is not very democractic no matter what party decideds to do it.

For once I have to agree with what Jack Layton said about this move.

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Yesterday cbc ran an news article about how the Libs and the Greens might not run in several ridings not just McKays. Nothing more has been said about that other than the Greens will not run against Dion in his riding. .

Thanks, I didn't hear this. That's interesting. Do you have a link? (not doubting you at all, just curious to see what they are saying about it)

[Rerun]

Here are the results from the last election in McKay's riding:



I wonder how many of the 10,000 Liberal votes will go to the Green party?

How many will go to the NDP? I bet a LOT more go NDP than Green. McKay could be in for a tough fight.

[Rerun]

I like this headline in the Edmonton Sun:

Grits and Greens unveil non-aggression pact

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Cana...3/4003924.html


Sounds like the deal Hitler and Stalin worked out at the start of World War II...

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Yesterday cbc ran an news article about how the Libs and the Greens might not run in several ridings not just McKays. Nothing more has been said about that other than the Greens will not run against Dion in his riding.

You are wrong.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Cana...3/4003924.html

May stressed that the Greens and the Liberals were not merging and there were no side deals to secure an agreement.
“This is an extraordinary expression of putting progress and principle ahead of politics as usual,” she said.
“The country is at stake. The planet is at stake.”
She said that although she doesn’t agree with all Liberal policies, she made it clear she supports Dion in his bid to become prime minister.
“I see in Mr. Dion a true leader for this country.”
May said there was nothing stopping the Greens from making similar, non-compete deals in other ridings.
But Dion said that wouldn’t happen with the Liberals. “I will not do that for another person, other than Madame May, because I know how much she has been good for the environment,” he said.

[CaptainCrunch]

God help us if she thinks that Dion would be a good leader for this country.

I'm all over the environment, and think its a crucial thing, but every time that Dion mentions it all I can think is hypocrite.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Rerun

You are wrong.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Cana...3/4003924.html

WHAT??? I said I saw a CBC news article saying that they may plan to run in more than 1 riding possible several.

Then you fly in and say I was WRONG and quote a edmonton sun article.

Nice, buddy....real nice.

Here....straight from the liberal website: Out of mutual and a shared commitment to a greener Canada, Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion and Green Party Leader Elizabeth May today announced they will not run candidates in each other’s ridings.

http://www.liberal.ca/news_e.aspx?type=news&id=12676

But I guess I was wrong eh.....

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

Thanks, I didn't hear this. That's interesting. Do you have a link? (not doubting you at all, just curious to see what they are saying about it)

No sorry.....I saw it on the tv.

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

No sorry.....I saw it on the tv.

Well, in fairness, all they are doing is not running in each other's (i.e. the 2 leaders) ridings. Its not so much several ridings. Not saying this could still happen, but at the momment it looks like just 2 - Dion's and May's.

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Here are the results from the last election in McKay's riding:



I wonder how many of the 10,000 Liberal votes will go to the Green party?

How many will go to the NDP? I bet a LOT more go NDP than Green. McKay could be in for a tough fight.

Yeah, the talk down here then was how well Alexis MacDonald had run her campaign, and how strong a showing she had. Everyone was surprised that she did that well.

Not sure where the votes will go, but if the NDP decides to run in here....i don't think it will work.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

Well, in fairness, all they are doing is not running in each other's (i.e. the 2 leaders) ridings. Its not so much several ridings. Not saying this could still happen, but at the momment it looks like just 2 - Dion's and May's.

Like I said, I had seen that news cast the one day and then never heard anything else the following days.