Activists oppose gay hockey movie...

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by FLAMESBURNOIL

That to me that is tolerance, you can still think something is wrong and be tolerant towards it.

To me that quote sounds not like tolerance, but more like brain control. She has no problem with homosexuals and thinks the lifestyle is fine, but the church says that homosexuality is wrong and immoral. So she goes against what she feels and instead lets the church tell how to feel towards things.

Tolerance would be having a problem with homosexuality but ignoring it and not treating homosexuals different. Bascially just "living with it."

[FLAMESBURNOIL]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Well because some christians play the bible card and quote the verse that says homosexuality is a sin and anyone who does a homosexual act shall be put to death. So some christians bascially pick and choose what they want to follow in the bible and take it literally.

Unfortuantely this thinking doesn't really make sense. Because how can you follow some things in the bible as word for word while others are just fairy tales or exagerations not meant to be taken seriously (Gensis for example).

yes just like bringing up the inquisitions to illiustrate that religions dont teach tolerance....i have no doubt that some take that literally as well - but from my experience in being educated in a catholic school, the church rather distance itself from that, cause they certainly dont teach us intolerance.

[FLAMESBURNOIL]

Originally Posted by Burninator

To me that quote sounds not like tolerance, but more like brain control. She has no problem with homosexuals and thinks the lifestyle is fine, but the church says that homosexuality is wrong and immoral. So she goes against what she feels and instead lets the church tell how to feel towards things.

Tolerance would be having a problem with homosexuality but ignoring it and not treating homosexuals different. Bascially just "living with it."

She can think its wrong all she wants, she has the right to think what she wants, and to base her morals on what she wants. Brain control, sure...she is still tolerant.

"I dont like your lifestyle, but that doesnt mean we cant be friends" - is still tolerance

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by FLAMESBURNOIL

yes just like bringing up the inquisitions to illiustrate that religions dont teach tolerance....i have no doubt that some take that literally as well - but from my experience in being educated in a catholic school, the church rather distance itself from that, cause they certainly dont teach us intolerance.

I am not saying that religions are teaching intolerance or that schools are either in the case of homosexuality. But there are people out there that are. And if someone feels a certain way about homosexuals or what have you, they will probably go seek those people out.

Originally Posted by FLAMESBURNOIL

She can think its wrong all she wants, she has the right to think what she wants, and to base her morals on what she wants. Brain control, sure...she is still tolerant.

"I dont like your lifestyle, but that doesnt mean we cant be friends" - is still tolerance

Your right it I guess it would still be considered tolerant. But what I was getting at was how she wasn't basing what she believed with her own brain, but rather having someone tell her what to believe. That is what I had the problem with.

[FLAMESBURNOIL]

Originally Posted by Burninator

I am not saying that religions are teaching intolerance or that schools are either in the case of homosexuality. But there are people out there that are. And if someone feels a certain way about homosexuals or what have you, they will probably go seek those people out.

Your right it I guess it would still be considered tolerant. But what I was getting at was how she wasn't basing what she believed with her own brain, but rather having someone tell her what to believe. That is what I had the problem with.

I dont disagree, but its her choice...i dont think she is brainwashed, simply because she of her conflicting thoughts on the subject..she is a born again christian, she made that choice....

[FLAMESBURNOIL]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Well, either the Bible is to be taken at face value or it is just a nice collection of stories.

People can't go on about proclaiming the Bible to be the word of God, that everyone should subscribe to what it says and then have the luxury of picking & choosing what passages should be followed and what should be ignored.

i agree...i also laugh at the bible being the word of god...for the most part its just third hand intrepretation....(even if there really was a god..he didnt write the damn book)

It is still quite amazing how something so old, still influences so many people....its no different than the natives and their stories passed from generation to generation. I think there is alot of good messages in the bible and i think just about everyone on the planet being part of a religion or not follows those ideals to a certain extent..

[Cain]

Originally Posted by FLAMESBURNOIL

yes just like bringing up the inquisitions to illiustrate that religions dont teach tolerance....i have no doubt that some take that literally as well - but from my experience in being educated in a catholic school, the church rather distance itself from that, cause they certainly dont teach us intolerance.

I'm sorry, but teaching that a group of peoples lifestyle is "wrong" and "immoral" isn't intolerant? Or how about that you should only marry someone of your own faith. I know I read that one while going through the same calgary catholic school system you did.

Maybe I'll start my own group condemning all others and how they live their lives, but "allow" them to live as they will (only because really I have no possible way to enforce my will on them legally, much like the church strangely) and only preach that what they do is wrong incessantly. Sounds tolerant enough.

The church is tolerant....uh huh. Any other organization would be flamed non stop for such an anti gay stance..but up comes the word "religion" and somehow they are safe from it all. Given that there really is no other "reason" to discriminate against them.

[FLAMESBURNOIL]

Originally Posted by Cain

I'm sorry, but teaching that a group of peoples lifestyle is "wrong" and "immoral" isn't intolerant? Or how about that you should only marry someone of your own faith. I know I read that one while going through the same calgary catholic school system you did.

Maybe I'll start my own group condemning all others and how they live their lives, but "allow" them to live as they will (only because really I have no possible way to enforce my will on them legally, much like the church strangely) and only preach that what they do is wrong incessantly. Sounds tolerant enough.

The church is tolerant....uh huh. Any other organization would be flamed non stop for such an anti gay stance..but up comes the word "religion" and somehow they are safe from it all. Given that there really is no other "reason" to discriminate against them.

If only they taught it, sure there are religious groups that may, but i grew up in a catholic system and family and was never taught that, yes there are references to it in the bible, but there are also references to killing and betray in the bible and they dont teach that stuff either..

People just love to put everyone in one nice big group, just like people like to associated islam with terrorism - you are no different. You are also not being very tolerant, people are allowed to think what they want whether or not you or the majority think its wrong or dont agree with. As long as there ideals and thoughts are used to NOT hurt or persecute anyone, let them think what they want.

Its no different everytime a homosexual bitches about someone else saying what they are doing is immoral - get over it, dont be so nieve to think that everyone will accept you, human nature doesnt let that happen. Someday it will be different....compared to 40 years ago we have come along way in "straight" and "gay" relations...lol

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

One of the objections that the activists have made about the movie that isn't captured in the link is the Leafs are supporting a movie about an 11 year old homosexual boy when the Leafs had their own scandal about homosexuals taking advantage of young boys at Maple Leaf Gardens.

Was I the only who caught this? WTF?

[Ford Prefect]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Was I the only who caught this? WTF?

The reference would have been to this incident:

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.c...=M1ARTM0011176