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Sylvanfan · 02-13-2007, 12:30 AM

Hooray, my team is predicted to fall off the face of the earth. The thing they forgot to mention is not only are the Chiefs getting ancient on offence, backs who carried the ball as often as Johnson did last year pretty much expire and are no longer effective....Herm will have to do a masterful job just to keep his team in that 7-9 win rut.

transplant99 · 02-13-2007, 05:36 AM

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Are you implying the Saints drafted or even really developed Brooks?

Aren't you are Packers fan?

Yes i certainly am implying that NO "developed" Aaron Brooks...seeing as he was in GB ONE year and never took a regular season snap.

Flames in 07 · 02-13-2007, 07:45 AM

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Shanle played well on the weakside, but Simoneau was average, especially vs. the run. Not really his fault as he played out of position, he was a backup weaksider in Philly. Edwards was rumoured to coming to the Saints during all of last seasons training camp, but the Chargers asking price of a second rounder was just too high.

p.s...what exactly did Colston have to do with Simoneau's play?

Colston came out of nowhere to be a starting WR, making Stallworth expendable, which allowed for the trade with Philly.

Good 7th round pick = Starting WR AND starting MLB.

Saint Troy · 02-13-2007, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Colston came out of nowhere to be a starting WR, making Stallworth expendable, which allowed for the trade with Philly.

Good 7th round pick = Starting WR AND starting MLB.

Ah, OK I see now where you were going with that, hopefully Stallworth re-signs with the Iggles, and the Saints receive their third rounder. I know Colston came out of nowhere, but I think Stallworth was gone regardless, Payton tired of his late for meetings act in a big hurry, and made an example of him early on in training camp dropping him to the third string unit. Last seasons draft was easily the best two days for the franchise in the 20 some years I've been a fan, Bush, Harper, acquiring Faine and Thomas, Jahri Evans, Colston, even Strief looks like he'll push to start next season. If this years draft is half as successful, the Saints could be an NFC power for a long time.

Saint Troy · 02-13-2007, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Yes i certainly am implying that NO "developed" Aaron Brooks...seeing as he was in GB ONE year and never took a regular season snap.

Can we please stop talking about Aaron Brooks, my gag reflex hits every time I see that name.

moon · 02-13-2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Yes i certainly am implying that NO "developed" Aaron Brooks...seeing as he was in GB ONE year and never took a regular season snap.

The only reason I question his development in NO is because I think the oine year in GB with those coaches and Favre were probably better for his development than the time he spent in GB.

Flames in 07 · 02-13-2007, 09:45 PM

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The only reason I question his development in NO is because I think the oine year in GB with those coaches and Favre were probably better for his development than the time he spent in GB.

I doubt that, Favre treats back up QB's like a stepchild. He has said his whole career that it is NOT his job to train, prepare or mentor back up QB's.

Flames in 07 · 02-13-2007, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Saint Troy

Can we please stop talking about Aaron Brooks, my gag reflex hits every time I see that name.

Ha, Aaron Brooks.
Billy Joe 1.
Billy Joe 2.
Ricky Williams.

Sick yet?

transplant99 · 02-14-2007, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Flames in 07

I doubt that, Favre treats back up QB's like a stepchild. He has said his whole career that it is NOT his job to train, prepare or mentor back up QB's.

Really huh?

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"I had so much fun as his backup those three years I was there. I honestly felt like I should have been paying the Packers for the experience that I was getting and just for even having me there," Hasselbeck said.

"Now would I feel that same way nine years later? I don't know. Maybe not. But it was a great experience for me."

As a result, Hasselbeck said Favre was a "huge influence," and he readily admits he wouldn't be the player he is today had he not played with Favre.

"I was not that great coming out of college," he said. "If I had gone to another team and learned from an average quarterback, I don't think I would have improved that much."

"For three years, my job was to emulate him. I guess there are things that you can't help that just rub off - I don't do them on purpose," Hasselbeck said. "I've said many times that I learned so many good things from Brett Favre. I also learned, especially during that first year, from some of his mistakes.

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Favre called Hasselbeck "a good friend" and said the two talk "every other week" or so. He's also not surprised by the way Hasselbeck has blossomed, going to the Pro Bowl in 2003 (as an alternate after Favre pulled out) and 2005 and leading his team to the NFC championship last year before losing to Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl.

"I knew for sure that he would have success, whether it be here or elsewhere. I'm not surprised at all," Favre said. "I knew when he was here that I probably had more confidence (in him) at that time than he did, just because he was not playing, and you kind of get lost in the shuffle. But I knew, just from the way he carried himself and his talent. In fact, I used to tell him, 'When Mike gets a chance, he's going to trade for you.' He's (like), 'Oh, yeah, whatever.' But it did happen, and I'm not surprised that he's turned out to be the player that he is."

Why let facts get in the way of a good old Anti-Favre rant though right?

http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/spor...108619&ntpid=1

Saint Troy · 02-14-2007, 10:18 AM

I haven't looked at the Packers sched to in depthly but if they add a piece or two in FA, they could be neck and neck with the Bears to win that division. I think the Bears are due for a bit of a step back, usually happens to superbowl losers, and the Grossman factor, I think he will steadily get worse. I think the Seahawks will be poised for a bounce back year, injuries really killed any cohesiveness on offence and their division is still soft. The NFC south should be interesting, it's make or break time for Jake in Carolina, as well for Vick in Atlanta, the internal pressure is huge on those guys and hopefully they crack.

transplant99 · 02-14-2007, 02:36 PM

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The NFC south should be interesting, it's make or break time for Jake in Carolina, as well for Vick in Atlanta, the internal pressure is huge on those guys and hopefully they crack

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Yup.....i predict that Carolina underachieves again, John Fox is fired and Bill Cowher is their next coach after purchasing a home 2 hours from Charlotte last year.

Saint Troy · 02-14-2007, 03:18 PM

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Yup.....i predict that Carolina underachieves again, John Fox is fired and Bill Cowher is their next coach after purchasing a home 2 hours from Charlotte last year.

Ya I've been hearing that rumour about Cowher as well, it's pretty much Superbowl or else down there. Fox is a good coach, and that team has alot of talent, but Delhomme has plateau'd with no no one waiting in the wings. I see them looking at another 8-8 season.

burn_baby_burn · 02-14-2007, 03:26 PM

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Hooray, my team is predicted to fall off the face of the earth. The thing they forgot to mention is not only are the Chiefs getting ancient on offence, backs who carried the ball as often as Johnson did last year pretty much expire and are no longer effective....Herm will have to do a masterful job just to keep his team in that 7-9 win rut.

They need to tank the season and draft a franchise QB with the first overall pick.

Sylvanfan · 02-14-2007, 03:55 PM

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Na, they just need a year where their mediocre 8-8 season lands them a top 10 pick. It was close to happening last year. Now they'll end up picking like 21st because of that extra win. I'm thinking they might want to look for an O-lineman with their pick.

Flames in 07 · 02-14-2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Really huh?

Why let facts get in the way of a good old Anti-Favre rant though right?

http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/spor...108619&ntpid=1

I'm not going to dig up a bunch of links, but I've heard him say 3 or 4 times that his job is to be a starting QB, not to groom back ups.

I'm not anti-farve, I like him, I think your nuts for wanting him to come back cause it's a brutal fit and he's way past prime.

rubecube · 02-14-2007, 10:05 PM

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Ah, OK I see now where you were going with that, hopefully Stallworth re-signs with the Iggles, and the Saints receive their third rounder.

Talk around Philly is that Stallworth probably won't be re-signed. I really want to see him back but many in the Eagles FO feel that he has too many injury concerns and that Hank Baskett filled in nicely while he was gone with (another) hamstring injury.

moon · 02-14-2007, 10:34 PM

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Na, they just need a year where their mediocre 8-8 season lands them a top 10 pick. It was close to happening last year. Now they'll end up picking like 21st because of that extra win. I'm thinking they might want to look for an O-lineman with their pick.

Top tens picks aren't all their cracked up to be. Just ask the Detroit Lions.

All Clayton talks about is the bums that we can drop off our team. I guess it will be addition by subtraction for the Lions this year.

I have heard rumours about them signing Simeon Rice which would be okay. Not sure if he has much left but they need a pass rusher and I am willing to give him a shot.

As long as they don't draft Jamarcus Russell I will be happy. I hope they go with Brady Quinn or Joe Thomas.

Saint Troy · 02-14-2007, 11:15 PM

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Talk around Philly is that Stallworth probably won't be re-signed. I really want to see him back but many in the Eagles FO feel that he has too many injury concerns and that Hank Baskett filled in nicely while he was gone with (another) hamstring injury.

Ahhh the conundrum that is Dante Stallworth, can hit the home run but is hurt alot, and tends to disappear in big situations. I can't see the Eagles paying him, not with the emergence of Brown, and as you mentioned Baskett, plus where the Eagles pick in the first round a decent receiver(Bowe) or two should be available.

Sylvanfan · 02-14-2007, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

Top tens picks aren't all their cracked up to be. Just ask the Detroit Lions.

Well not when Matt Millen is GM.

At least he didn't pass on Reggie Bush so he could tade Mario Williams. Although he probably would have have passed on Bush to get a guy who was just strictly a wide receiver.

burn_baby_burn · 02-15-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

Top tens picks aren't all their cracked up to be. Just ask the Detroit Lions.

All Clayton talks about is the bums that we can drop off our team. I guess it will be addition by subtraction for the Lions this year.

I have heard rumours about them signing Simeon Rice which would be okay. Not sure if he has much left but they need a pass rusher and I am willing to give him a shot.

As long as they don't draft Jamarcus Russell I will be happy. I hope they go with Brady Quinn or Joe Thomas.

Clayton mentions that the Lions might try to sign MLB Kawika Mitchell from the Chiefs. Hear any rumblings of that in the Detroit media?