Application for Preliminary Injunction in Smoking Bylaw Case - Dismissed

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Ridiculing someone for what they do, fine...

like overeating on very unhealthy food and not getting enough exercise? i know its not that simple for everyone but for most people it is. just playing devil's advocate here. but honestly, how do you ridicule one without ridiculing the other?

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

like overeating on very unhealthy food and not getting enough exercise? i know its not that simple for everyone but for most people it is. just playing devil's advocate here. but honestly, how do you ridicule one without ridiculing the other?

I get ridiculed for eating unhealthy food all the time (burgers, breakfast sandwiches, etc), and in no way am I obese.

A co-worker gets ridiculed all the time for not getting enough exercise, and in no way is he obese.

Once again, being ridiculed for what you do is pretty normal. Being ridiculed for who you physically are is not normal or accepted.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by ken0042

So, what you are saying is as long as it isn't cancer, then I have nothing to complain about?

There are many other lung diseases other than cancer; cancer is just one of the most infamous. I had to miss an entire season of hockey and skiing 2 years ago while battling this. (WebMD Link for those interested.)

and there are plenty of other health risks associated with obesity. i just chose to compare lung cancer from smoking to heart attacks from obesity. kinda similar, they're the ones that most people worry about, they take a while to develop and once you get it there's a good chance you're f'd.

Originally Posted by ken0042

I understand that this new law cramps your lifestyle; but if it helps keep people healthy, then is it not worth while?

nope - not cramping my lifestyle. i'm a non-smoker. never have, never will smoke. in fact, i absolutely love this law.

Originally Posted by ken0042

As for obesity; I don't have a problem with that being targeted next. But let's get one problem under control; and the one that I see as a bigger problem. The fact is that fatty foods consumed in the correct portions can be a part of a healthy diet; as long as the rest of your diet is that much more healthy. However no amount of smoke is safe.

agreed, was just defending the point that... i don't even remember who it was... made and some people jumped on them for suggesting that obesity and smoking had some similarities. i wouldn't mind seeing some more education about diet and exercise. again, its not something that the government can absolutely control but can nudge people in the right direction by say... taxing potato chips or something. might help people make healthy choices and those who don't will help pay for health care.

[arsenal]

I am all for not smoking in public places. I smoke, it isn't going to affect my life, so I walk 20 feet to go outside to smoke instead of smoking at the bar. Big deal.

All I am trying to get accross is this opens up the door for more legislation regarding how people live their lives. And if that is the case, then I could see Obesity being the next target.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by arsenal

I am all for not smoking in public places. I smoke, it isn't going to affect my life, so I walk 20 feet to go outside to smoke instead of smoking at the bar. Big deal.

All I am trying to get accross is this opens up the door for more legislation regarding how people live their lives. And if that is the case, then I could see Obesity being the next target.

And some of those companies really do need to be regulated.

McDonalds could easily make their burgers/fries a much healthier choice without changing the taste.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

And some of those companies really do need to be regulated.

McDonalds could easily make their burgers/fries a much healthier choice without changing the taste.

Not trying to pick a fight with you....but if that were the case....don't you think they would have done it?

You look at a lot of other companies that have banned Trans Fats and they have done it to avoid possible legal action in the future. I am sure that McDicks would have done it a while ago if it didn't dramatically alter the taste of their fries. Just my thoughts.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Not trying to pick a fight with you....but if that were the case....don't you think they would have done it?

You look at a lot of other companies that have banned Trans Fats and they have done it to avoid possible legal action in the future. I am sure that McDicks would have done it a while ago if it didn't dramatically alter the taste of their fries. Just my thoughts.

Nope.

The products of lower quality are much cheaper to get. It would cause a rise in prices.

[arsenal]

But why are we even getting to this point? Are people not able to make their own choices?

I am more worried about the legislation that can come, and less control over our private lives due to government involvement than the smoking ban.

If i want a greasy burger that should be my call. The way things are going, that may not be my call.

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by arsenal

But why are we even getting to this point? Are people not able to make their own choices?

I am more worried about the legislation that can come, and less control over our private lives due to government involvement than the smoking ban.

If i want a greasy burger that should be my call. The way things are going, that may not be my call.

There are already plenty of laws out there meant to protect you from hurting yourself. Certain narcotics are illegal. Cigarettes cannot be purchased by minors. The use of certain chemicals and additives is not permitted in the manufacture of many foods in Canada.

Community standards change over time. Nowadays, smoking ain't cool and generally considered kinda bad for you. The government can (and should) legislate accordingly.

Perhaps the next frontier is the healthfulness of our food and the establishments that purvey it. No one here has convinced me that's a bad thing...

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by arsenal

But why are we even getting to this point? Are people not able to make their own choices?

I am more worried about the legislation that can come, and less control over our private lives due to government involvement than the smoking ban.

If i want a greasy burger that should be my call. The way things are going, that may not be my call.

i'm not exactly opposed to this type of thinking. what i am opposed to is paying for your triple bypass, fatty.

[Bobblehead]

Smoking Bylaw Upheld

“It is not for me to say whether it was the best choice or even whether or not in my view it was a reasonable choice,” Macleod said.


“It was not only within city councils’ power to resolve this political issue, it was their duty,” he said.

[Antithesis]

Glad to see this on one hand, but a business owner would probably disagree ... I don't see why casinos and bingo halls should be exempt from this law.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Antithesis

Glad to see this on one hand, but a business owner would probably disagree ... I don't see why casinos and bingo halls should be exempt from this law.

I was hoping the bar owners would win this. It's not because I don't agree with a no smoking ban, it's just that this stupid bylaw is unfair. If you own a bar near a Legion or a private club that allows smoking that owner is going to suffer big time. And if a smoker wants to play VLT's he/she is probably going to choose a casino over the local pub.

If Silly Hall had any backbone they would made this current bylaw a total smoking ban. Yet they always want to be the nice guy and end up trying to please everyone.

[Flames09]

Phaneuf3 it's quite simple I can't catch obesity.

[fredr123]

I missed the decision today and haven't had a chance to read it.

From what the news sources are reporting, much was made of the City's ability to make decisions like this without court intervention. It was a political or legislative deicision that was instituted in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice. It might be a dumb decision but it was instituted properly and the City's decision, in that sense, won't be reviewed by the court.