Hussein to be hung soon; Dead as of Dec 29th.

[Looger]

just pointing out the absurdity, of charging a man for crimes he committed while you stand at his shoulder and shake his hand.

how anyone can look at the whole situation and not cry 'hypocracy' is beyond me.

i just honestly hope all the cacklers enjoy their victory.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I haven't seen one mention of 9/11 or any linkage during his trial that lead to his death sentence. You seem to be eager to link it. One has nothing to do with the other.

The original invasion of Iraq was done with the misconception that Iraq was somehow involved in 9/11. Most of the American people and many others bought this and it was sold by Bush and his cronies. The invasion led to Saddam's trial and execution. Pretty clear to me and anybody who doesn't let their emotions cloud their judgement. Why is this still a mystery, people have eyes and ears and brains.

[OILFAN #81]

Am I glad he was executed? You got it! After seeing everything he has put the citizens of Iraq through (just watch some of those documentaries where they show footage of him shooting hundreds of men in his military in the head, with garbage bags over their head). I'm not going to shed a tear for the man as he was an extremist and a part of the terrorist regime. By no means are extremists or terrorists(I know there is a difference between the two and i'm not saying extremists = terrorists) going to be lessoned by his execution, but he acted as a symbol of that, and that symbol has been removed.

However, do I need to watch the video of him dying? No, because that really isn't necessary. Now I see why some people would want to watch it(just to ensure he indeed is no more, for satisfaction, or maybe even for the hoopla the media streams will document it over the nex little while), but for me I don't think watching the video of him being executed gives me any added satisfaction. The act has been done, and that's that.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Looger

just pointing out the absurdity, of charging a man for crimes he committed while you stand at his shoulder and shake his hand.

how anyone can look at the whole situation and not cry 'hypocracy' is beyond me.

i just honestly hope all the cacklers enjoy their victory.

Have to agree,

Saddam probably got what was coming to him, but history and media have proven many players have not.

And that history and morality is decided by the winners. Shame.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Am I glad he was executed? You got it! After seeing everything he has put the citizens of Iraq through

Sounds like an argument for putting GWB on trial. He's put the citizens of Iraq through hell the past few years.

[Dion]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...&notFound=true

[Dion]

At a Washington press conference called the next day, State Department spokesperson Margaret Tutweiler was asked by journalists:

"Has the United States sent any type of diplomatic message to the Iraqis about putting 30,000 troops on the border with Kuwait? Has there been any type of protest communicated from the United States government?"

to which she responded:

"I'm entirely unaware of any such protest."

On July 31st, two days before the Iraqi invasion, John Kelly, Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern affairs, testified to Congress that the

"United States has no commitment to defend Kuwait and the U.S. has no intention of defending Kuwait if it is attacked by Iraq."

Eight days later, on August 2, 1990, Saddam Hussein's massed troops invaded and occupied Kuwait (ironically, this was done in a method historically similar to the American annexation of Texas). One month later in Baghdad, British journalists obtained the tape and transcript of the Hussein-Glaspie meeting on July 25, 1990. In order to verify this astounding information, they attempted to confront Ms. Glaspie as she was leaving the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad. Journalist 1:

"Are the transcripts (holding them up) correct, Madam Ambassador?"

(Ambassador Glaspie does not respond)

Journalist 2:

"You knew Saddam was going to invade (Kuwait), but you didn't warn him not to. You didn't tell him America would defend Kuwait. You told him the oppose - that America was not associated with Kuwait."

Journalist 1:

"You encouraged this aggression - his invasion. What were you thinking?"

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie:

"Obviously, I didn't think, and nobody else did, that the Iraqis were going to take ALL of Kuwait."

Journalist 1:

"You thought he was just going to take SOME of it? But how COULD YOU?! Saddam told you that, if negotiations failed, he would give up his Iran (Shatt al Arab Waterway) goal for the "WHOLE of Iraq, in the shape we wish it to be." You KNOW that includes Kuwait, which the Iraqis have always viewed as an historic part of their country!"

(Ambassador Glaspie says nothing, pushing past the two journalists to leave)

"America green-lighted the invasion. At a minimum, you admit signaling Saddam that some aggression was okay - that the U.S. would not oppose a grab of the al-Rumalya oil field, the disputed border strip and the Gulf Islands (including Bubiyan) - territories claimed by Iraq?"

(Again, Ambassador Glaspie says nothing as a limousine door closes behind her and the car drives off.)

http://www.chss.montclair.edu/englis...r-fingrut.html

[jolinar of malkshor]

As much as this guy deserved to die.....I don't agree that we have the authority to give that to him. It is really sad when people are sooooo happy that another human has just been killed.

[pope04]

Originally Posted by Looger

i'm saying that the brave brave souls that cackle at the death of others as long as they don't have to actually do it themselves, cannot handle the reality of it.

himmler blew chunks while at his first live execution, despite the directives and cheerleading and doctrines he'd been responsible for.

You should've seen me when I changed my kid's first diaper. Despite my gagging and heaving, I think I handled the reality quite well.

I find it hard to believe that the head of the SS and organizer of the evil Einsatzgruppen would barf at an execution.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by pope04

I find it hard to believe that the head of the SS and organizer of the evil Einsatzgruppen would barf at an execution.

intellectual gangsters.

the professor types that crawl out from under rocks whenever it's time to 'reorganize society'.

snivelling little weasels like william kristol, major neo-con shrill author, is a great modern example of a himmler.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ov8nJ1lOa8

at the 3:10 mark someone (eventually) asks a question

"why don't you grab a rifle and go to iran?"

those that kill with the pen and the doctrine cannot face the cold reality of what they're doing. they're spineless, soulless demons.

and we keep following them, right over the edge of the earth.

[Azure]

According to eyewitness accounts, Saddam had an almost instant death.

There is video on the web leading up to his death...it doesn't show him actually hanging.

I have mixed feelings...he deserves to be killed...but he far more deserves to rot in a cell for the rest of his life.

[The Goon]

Originally Posted by Azure

I have mixed feelings...he deserves to be killed...but he far more deserves to rot in a cell for the rest of his life.

I agree, and this is my qualm with the death penalty. It's too easy. We all die, so where's the penalty?

No justice, no comeuppance, nothing. I would have liked to see some actual punishment for Saddam. When you look at his life in whole, he had it pretty good, and his death was a final escape from actual retribution.

[Calgaryborn]

Well I for one don't believe it is a final escape from retribution. But, even if you don't believe in an after life I think you would find most people when looking at the options up close would want life. Saddam said he would prefer martyrdom to rotting in a cell during his trial but that certainly wasn't what he wanted on his judgment day.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Azure

Very funny Looger...

I was being sarcastic to start with...

i was going to agree with you and you weren't even serious!!

[Flames_Gimp]

anyone want to see the video?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Looger

intellectual gangsters.

the professor types that crawl out from under rocks whenever it's time to 'reorganize society'.

snivelling little weasels like william kristol, major neo-con shrill author, is a great modern example of a himmler.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ov8nJ1lOa8

at the 3:10 mark someone (eventually) asks a question

"why don't you grab a rifle and go to iran?"

those that kill with the pen and the doctrine cannot face the cold reality of what they're doing. they're spineless, soulless demons.

and we keep following them, right over the edge of the earth.

Nice video Looger....all it showed was a bunch of people who couldn't debate and decided to name call to prove what ever point they had. Those people had zero credablity what so ever. That did nothing but make them look like complete ######s.

[yyc]

Originally Posted by Delgar

Interesting, Himmler was a wimp, from everything I've read, but I've never read that he puked at his first execution. Let me know where you read that, I'd like to check it out.

Cant find a link for you but as i remember it, himmler got ill seeing his first execution. It was a shot to the head and was a big factor in the creations of gas chambers as a "cleaner" means to execute people. Its been a while but i think it was on the biography channel. Actually found a link, 10th paragraph makes a mention of it.


http://www.thirdreich.net/Himmler_Bio.html

[transplant99]

those that kill with the pen and the doctrine cannot face the cold reality of what they're doing. they're spineless, soulless demons.

Brilliant!!...Im sending this to Chomsky.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

. Pretty clear to me and anybody who doesn't let their emotions cloud their judgement. .

I love lines like this, and they are so prevalent in this forum. Nothing like automatically discarding dissenting opinions with such statements.

If I disagree with you then I have let my emotions cloud my judgement. Too funny.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I love lines like this, and they are so prevalent in this forum. Nothing like automatically discarding dissenting opinions with such statements.

If I disagree with you then I have let my emotions cloud my judgement. Too funny.

Relax, take ten quiet breaths.
I sometimes get exasperated with seemingly intelligent posters who ignore basic facts and it's the only conclusion I can come to. Argue against the meat of my statement.