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Old 12-16-2006, 06:49 PM   #41
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I think most GM's here would like to hear from the Commish crew on this issue rather than a GM/Commish wannabe.
Isn't that you?
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Old 12-16-2006, 06:49 PM   #42
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I was just wondering if agent Kipper3256 can be contacted through MSN?
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Old 12-16-2006, 06:52 PM   #43
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Whatever happened to our MSN convo yesterday regarding the ALL STAR?
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Old 12-16-2006, 06:53 PM   #44
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Whatever happened to our MSN convo yesterday regarding the ALL STAR?
We can discuss when I get home from work
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Old 12-16-2006, 06:53 PM   #45
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Isn't that you?
Not in this lifetime. Not only do I not want to be a commish, I am pretty sure I would never be asked to be one...

I would have no problem simming games in the future if someone asked me to do it but I woulnd't make a good commish becuase I pi$$ too many people off.

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I can't see how a player (Amonte) would take a pay cut unless he thinks that a better offer won't be there in the offseason. Maybe someone like Brian Leetch who might not be around next season and the player is trying to max out his obtions.
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Old 12-16-2006, 06:55 PM   #47
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LOL, I was jk, It's cool.
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Old 12-16-2006, 07:00 PM   #48
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My take on the subject as long as we are all chiming in.....

Forsberg already has a 3 year deal, he can't get more money anywhere else. Why would he care if he has a NT clause? I could see the deal as Neil proposed it if Forsberg had one year left and would then be getting a new 3 year deal. But not many players (in either league) would opt for the 2 mill a year less just to ensure they didn't get traded, when in all likelyhood, if Neil decided he wanted to trade Forbugger he would up his salary in order to get the NT revoked and poof......Forsburg is a Panther.

I don't like NT clauses in real life or in fantasy, but that is just my opinion. However when they are used in the league, players do take less money to ensure they stay where they are with the NT. I don't really see the point in them though, when they can be revoked by tossing a few mil at the player.
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Old 12-16-2006, 07:07 PM   #49
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Staying awake has never been your strong point either.

I think most GM's here would like to hear from the Commish crew on this issue rather than a GM/Commish wannabe. They are the ones running the show and who ultimately make the final decisions. Now that logical!

I appreciate what KG has had to say as it has already been very helpful. Thanks.
Yes they are running the show. I believe it was you questioning where the league was going in the first place. Perhaps I'm asleep and dreaming, but I believe these are your statement:

"Is this the beginning of the league stepping in more and more with other agents as well?

I am not sure I like where this is going at all."

"I know a lot more GM's agree with me when I say the league should really let the agents do what they want becuase they need to play the game too!"

" We need consistency or a set of guidlines to follow. As it stands right now, it is all over the place and unrealistic"

I merely pointed out that the GMs do have a way to get out of unreasonable contracts. While do not wish to be a commish, I do understand the need to maintain control over certain aspects to ensure the league remains fun for all. This is particularily true when a new participant enters the league at either GM or Agent. Which was the whole point to the original post.
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Old 12-16-2006, 07:13 PM   #50
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Will Nash score a hat trick for me this week?

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He will score at elast three goals, perhaps even have a two goal game, but he won't get a hattrick - hope that helps.
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Old 12-16-2006, 07:19 PM   #51
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He will score at elast three goals, perhaps even have a two goal game, but he won't get a hattrick - hope that helps.
ah crap, aight hes on the block
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Old 12-16-2006, 08:38 PM   #52
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A few comments.

1. Our new agent has no previous experience in the CPHL. I believe he's a smart cookie and will get to know the ins and outs of the league. But to expect him to understand how it all works right now is unrealistic. That's why were are reviewing his contracts more carefully. Its to protect him and the integrity of the league. The flip side is we process today's contracts and then countless GMs will be lining up for similar pay cuts.
2. When a GM proves himself we allow them a lot more leeway. In fact the only contracts that have been rejected are ones that were outside the scope of the current rules as KG said.
3. No matter how many rules/guidelines we have in this league there will always be instances when the commish team has to step in and make decisions. You either trust we have a good sense of fairness and are capable of making those decisions or you don't. I think/hope most of you do.


To answer some other questions in this thread:

Are there any checks to inflation in this league?
- Yes but inflation is a natural way to balance competitiveness. You should NOT be able to afford a team of superstars long-term. As your team gets better there salaries should rise and the talent will be spread across the league. But considering the few UFAs we have in the league, AND the fact that overall few teams struggle to make the cap - inflation is not a concern.

Also how long does the league plan on monitoring GMs and Agents? When does a new Agent or GM finally become a "veteran" Agent or GM that no longer needs monitoring?

- When we feel that they have a good sense of how the league works. Tying a specific timeline to this simply isn't a good way of doing it.

I'd like to add that I have a general idea of how the compensation system for agents works
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They are measured purely by the value of their contracts. We'd like to improve this system to include other factors down the road, but its gotta be a system that is not overly complex.

Take for example a player like Tony Amonte who is making 5 times as much as what he should be, should he not be given a paycut cause he has a new agent? I think that there are certain situations that paycuts are totally warranted, not saying that all the offers that get sent in are fair cause I know some of my fellow GM's to well to be that naive.

However I feel that in Neils case that the inclusion of a NTC is a very good reason to consider a paycut. IMO it should be up to the agent to decide the value they place on a NTC for their client not the leagues


I agree with all of this but to expect our new agent to be able to make those assessments w/o the benefit of previous CPHL experience is simply not realistic.

I just wanted the other gm's to hear my side of it bc it made me look like I was the "bad guy" in all of this when I was making a totally fair deal. It seems all the ones who i've talked to agree with me on the matter. The deal is void from this end now anyways.

I want to be real clear on this. There are no "bad guys" in this situation. GMs are expected to do what's best for their team. However, ultimately someone has to be considering the bigger picutre for the league overall. That's our jobs, and though GMs may not always agree with our decisions, they are made in the best interests of the CPHL in general.
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Old 12-16-2006, 09:19 PM   #53
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I don't like NT clauses in real life or in fantasy, but that is just my opinion.
I have to agree with not liking NT clauses in a fantasy league. I know that I am near the front of the line in GMs who don't make deals, but trading is a HUGE part of any fantasy league and especially the CPHL. Adding NT clauses that can just get worked around seems kinda silly to me.

I agree some contracts are out of control, but that’s just what a GM agreed to, I don't blame agents. The buying out a player is a pretty extreme example that will never happen. GMs as a group just have to agree to not overpay....wait is that collusion??? .


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Old 12-16-2006, 10:18 PM   #54
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BTW Suneil's MSN addy is suneil_001@hotmail.com
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Old 12-17-2006, 03:25 AM   #55
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Yes, they have been sending unfair offers. They should now be aware that the price of those guys is going way up as they have taken advantage of me. One person even lied about that if a Player gets a NT clause the price should go down a lot.
Neil lied to me as well today
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Old 12-17-2006, 03:27 AM   #56
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Neil lied to me as well today
I sure did, I said you would win and you were cool.
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