This is what you have to look forward to...

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Yeah the works, and some guy who'd I think been part of a cell up here was being interviewed and then our flag over the title of the show. I can't be going crazy!

[transplant99]

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Thanks for the link. Not everyday I get to cheer for Bill O'Reilly in a confrontation.

Actually I think O'Reillys reputation is a figment of the left leaners imagination. He has always been rather boisterous in his point of view, but his point of view isnt always "conservative".

Certainly some of his stances are laughable at times, but when a spade is a spade, he says so. Always has. He really is just a MOR conservative, unlike Hannity, Limbaugh and company.

I gotta admit I've never even watched FoxNews but by all accounts, they don't have a leftie on the staff. Is that correct?

That's incorrect. When Sean Hannity takes to the TV screen every night, it isn't on the Sean Hannity Show, its called Hannity and Colmes. Alan Colmes is a decidedly bleeding heart liberal. Its actually entertining at times, but i rarely watch it either.

Right and Left

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Originally posted by transplant99@Oct 12 2004, 12:37 PM
Actually I think O'Reillys reputation is a figment of the left leaners imagination. He has always been rather boisterous in his point of view, but his point of view isnt always "conservative".

Maybe that's a figment of your right leaning imagination.

[transplant99]

Originally posted by Flame On+Oct 12 2004, 10:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flame On @ Oct 12 2004, 10:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-transplant99@Oct 12 2004, 12:37 PM
Actually I think O'Reillys reputation is a figment of the left leaners imagination. He has always been rather boisterous in his point of view, but his point of view isnt always "conservative".

Maybe that's a figment of your right leaning imagination. [/b][/quote]
Maybe, except he himself would say so.

I actually like the guy myself.

http://www.alan.com/index2.html

[Tron_fdc]

I can't say I watch Fox news, nor do I care to wade into an argument when it comes to US politics or foreign policy........but come one man! This statement is absolutely laughable:

Canada has become increasingly socialistic, as big government programs ensure everyone is marginally taken care of. I may be wrong here, but I see the entitlement culture as a force against self-discipline and motivation.

Yeah, we're a bunch of lazy silver spoon fed socialists up here. That's why we don't win olympic medals. Riiiiiiiiight.

Makes me kinda wonder what someone might say when we compete with the US medal counts at the winter olympics....Is it all that socialist funding for athletes? Wait a sec, that's not right! Socialists don't get sport money, only free healthcare! It must be that the winter sports are tailor made for us lazy athletes up here. The American athletes are just WAY too motivated to compete in something so lowly.

Or maybe it's because our population is more interested in winter sports. Hmmmm.....

This guy seems to be from outer space to me. Although I will admit this is the first article I have read of his.

[Bingo]

Originally posted by transplant99@Oct 12 2004, 06:37 AM
Actually I think O'Reillys reputation is a figment of the left leaners imagination. He has always been rather boisterous in his point of view, but his point of view isnt always "conservative".

Certainly some of his stances are laughable at times, but when a spade is a spade, he says so. Always has. He really is just a MOR conservative, unlike Hannity, Limbaugh and company.

Thanks Tranny ... that is more or less what I've been trying to say.

I'm not trying to suggest the guy is Liberal, far from it, but I've maintained from the beginning that he gets painted with an extremist brush sometimes fairly, but often times unfairly.

I guess that's why he's been so successful, ... everyone has a reaction to him.

Either way, I'm certainly not trying to convert anyone to an O'Reilly fan. Just have never understood the jump without actually seeing him reaction that many have had.

I'm about 50/50 on his comments. I agree whole heartedly with some of what he says, and couldn't disagree more on the other half.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by transplant99@Oct 12 2004, 06:37 AM
That's incorrect. When Sean Hannity takes to the TV screen every night, it isn't on the Sean Hannity Show, its called Hannity and Colmes. Alan Colmes is a decidedly bleeding heart liberal. Its actually entertining at times, but i rarely watch it either.

Fair enough. I've actually heard of this guy. Some pretty funny examples of his leftie-leanings in this article here including "I voted for Rudy Giuliani" and "yeah, the left is responsible for moral decay in America".

He's described himself as a moderate. There was a pretty funny segment in that Al Franken book, and he describes a situation where he confronts Colmes at some Washington function and Franken says "you know he's wrong on this, why don't you point it out, that's your job" and this Colmes character says something like "the show is not set up that way". Like I said, I've never even seen that channel, but this sounds like a rigged competition dressed up to resemble real debate.

[moon]

Originally posted by TheCommodoreAfro@Oct 11 2004, 04:50 PM

Like it or not, call him a wingnut and try to denegrate him, Micheal Moore is a respected documentary film and film maker. He is nowhere near the edge that he is painted into, and possesses views not unlike a guy like Christopher Reeve. He just goes about it better. A telling fact will be the fact that maybe a few folks will show up to Coulter's talk (and as many will protest it), and Moore will draw a heck of a lot more.

The man is speaking the truth, and for all the crap that has finally come to light to everyone in the last few weeks I'm surprised that all of you in the conservo-box have seem to continue to paint him in the same light. What bugs conservatives the most about him is that he uses their tactics to get his message out.

I would say he is a respected film maker by some. I have no respect for him as a filmmaker. It has nothing to do with his politics but rather the way he exploited people in "Roger and Me." He can say that he was trying to show the effects of Ford leaving on the area but the way he treated the chick with the Rabbits and some of the folks that were gettting booted out of their house really p*ssed me off.

He cuts and edits to make things fit his distorted view of reality and tries to pass it of as fact. I will say he seems to be getting better about admitting that he edits and that his work is done to promote his own biased view but I still have no respect for him at all as a filmmaker.

[moon]

From what I have seen of FOX news it can't be as bad as CBC.

The Liberals could be killing babies and the CBC would talk about how great it was. The CBC is so horrendiously biased it is disgusting to watch. What makes it worse is that some of my money actually goes to spreading the crap they spout out as "fact"

[Lanny_MacDonald]

FoxNews is just this side of Facism. They continually blame the "liberals" for everything that is wrong in this country and promote hate toward others. They were talking today about the Michael Moore "hate fest" at Uof A in Tucson last night. They went on to say that the people in attendence were "criminals" and that they "hated America". They went on to say that it was an evening of "hate" and that they "supported torrorism". All in all is was a bunch of lies.

Interesting that you should bring up Sean Hannity. He appears tonight in Tempe and will do his little bit of "spreading peace and understanding" in the US of A. Should be interesting to see what is said of that appearance? He's one of the most closed minded racist bas**rds I've ever heard speak. What really hurts is how uninformed he is on pretty well everything he speaks on. If it weren't for dirty tricks he would have no show and nothing to comment on.

Seriously, with the FoxNews and the Sinclair group (airing a "documentary" that is focused on slanderous allegations against John Kerry, and his appearance before congress 30+ years ago) it makes me laugh when people have the gaul to say that the media is biased toward the left. I have NEVER seen the mainstream media make derogatory comments about a presidental candidate in the past and get away with it. FoxNews and the neo-conservative movement have brought this to the forefront. Its dispicable.

[CaramonLS]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald@Oct 12 2004, 10:41 PM
Seriously, with the FoxNews and the Sinclair group (airing a "documentary" that is focused on slanderous allegations against John Kerry, and his appearance before congress 30+ years ago) it makes me laugh when people have the gaul to say that the media is biased toward the left. I have NEVER seen the mainstream media make derogatory comments about a presidental candidate in the past and get away with it. FoxNews and the neo-conservative movement have brought this to the forefront. Its dispicable.

Agree with this Lanny - that Documentry is going to be total BS.

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Originally posted by moon@Oct 12 2004, 10:39 PM
From what I have seen of FOX news it can't be as bad as CBC.

The Liberals could be killing babies and the CBC would talk about how great it was. The CBC is so horrendiously biased it is disgusting to watch. What makes it worse is that some of my money actually goes to spreading the crap they spout out as "fact"

Moon you are a loon. Your baby killing reference; although I acknowledg as a ludicrous example, is dead wrong because they would certainly treat that, along with anything else, better than Fox.
Oh and it could be worse you could be sending your money to Harpers crew and his Brown Shirts....erm I mean Conservative blue shirts.

[moon]

Originally posted by Flame On+Oct 12 2004, 06:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flame On @ Oct 12 2004, 06:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-moon@Oct 12 2004, 10:39 PM
From what I have seen of FOX news it can't be as bad as CBC.

The Liberals could be killing babies and the CBC would talk about how great it was. The CBC is so horrendiously biased it is disgusting to watch. What makes it worse is that some of my money actually goes to spreading the crap they spout out as "fact"

Moon you are a loon. Your baby killing reference; although I acknowledg as a ludicrous example, is dead wrong because they would certainly treat that, along with anything else, better than Fox.
Oh and it could be worse you could be sending your money to Harpers crew and his Brown Shirts....erm I mean Conservative blue shirts. [/b][/quote]
Don't worry Harper and the Conservatives already gets plenty of my money and my volunteer help when needed as well!!

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald@Oct 12 2004, 10:41 PM
Seriously, with the FoxNews and the Sinclair group (airing a "documentary" that is focused on slanderous allegations against John Kerry, and his appearance before congress 30+ years ago) it makes me laugh when people have the gaul to say that the media is biased toward the left. I have NEVER seen the mainstream media make derogatory comments about a presidental candidate in the past and get away with it. FoxNews and the neo-conservative movement have brought this to the forefront. Its dispicable.

I was just channel surfing a few nights ago and CNN had a segment on the FOX one hour special on Kerry that is coming up, with two guests indicating their may be FCC attention of how FOX is handling this particular issue.

The documentary is being questioned at other news sources as well and has drawn the attention of the FCC . . . . or a Democrat at the FCC . . . . who said its "an abuse of the public trust."

Michael Copps, a Federal Communications Commission member who some believe could become chairman if Kerry wins, said it's "an abuse of the public trust. And it is proof positive of media consolidation run amok when one owner can use the public airwaves to blanket the country with its political ideology."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselect...-sinclair_x.htm

I don't have a problem using Kerry's words before Congress 30 years ago in this campaign. Until he comes out and says he was "young and stupid" for what he said to Congress 30 years ago, I think those words are in the public domain and fair comment. I think most of the Swiftboat allegations are nonsense . . . . although it seems fairly clear he wasn't in Cambodia on Christmas Eve 30 years ago.

CBC News is terrible the other way.

Cowperson

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Originally posted by moon@Oct 13 2004, 05:16 AM
Don't worry Harper and the Conservatives already gets plenty of my money and my volunteer help when needed as well!!

You give your money and time to the Cons? Do you have a girlfriend?

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Originally posted by Cowperson@Oct 13 2004, 01:44 PM
I don't have a problem using Kerry's words before Congress 30 years ago in this campaign. Until he comes out and says he was "young and stupid" for what he said to Congress 30 years ago, I think those words are in the public domain and fair comment. I think most of the Swiftboat allegations are nonsense . . . . although it seems fairly clear he wasn't in Cambodia on Christmas Eve 30 years ago.

CBC News is terrible the other way.

Cowperson

Oh so politicians should acknowledge when they're wrong should they, or made mistakes? Hmmm. What ever CP, like you hold Bush to that standard. By the same token of "using" words and using them to effect for your own purposes, you must not have any problem with Michael Moore.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by Flame On+Oct 13 2004, 02:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flame On @ Oct 13 2004, 02:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Cowperson@Oct 13 2004, 01:44 PM
I don't have a problem using Kerry's words before Congress 30 years ago in this campaign. Until he comes out and says he was "young and stupid" for what he said to Congress 30 years ago, I think those words are in the public domain and fair comment. I think most of the Swiftboat allegations are nonsense . . . . although it seems fairly clear he wasn't in Cambodia on Christmas Eve 30 years ago.

CBC News is terrible the other way.

Cowperson

Oh so politicians should acknowledge when they're wrong should they, or made mistakes? Hmmm. What ever CP, like you hold Bush to that standard. By the same token of "using" words and using them to effect for your own purposes, you must not have any problem with Michael Moore. [/b][/quote]
I think you're talking to the wrong guy. I said a year ago the jig was up on WMD and I said before the Iraq conflict began that Bush should be removed from office in 2004.

I guess you also missed my post post yesterday which ended with this on the topic of WMD:

In the end though, there's only one team that gets to wear the dunce cap and that's the way it is and should be.

Harry Truman had a sign on his desk - "The buck stops here."

Kerry's comments to Congress 30 years ago are of public interest, like it or not, given he's seeking to be Commander In Chief in a time of war. Just like the actions of the current Commander in chief in a time of war are also relevant.

Cowperson

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I think you're talking to the wrong guy. I said a year ago the jig was up on WMD and I said before the Iraq conflict began that Bush should be removed from office in 2004.

I guess you also missed my post post yesterday which ended with this on the topic of WMD:

In the end though, there's only one team that gets to wear the dunce cap and that's the way it is and should be.

Harry Truman had a sign on his desk - "The buck stops here."

Kerry's comments to Congress 30 years ago are of public interest, like it or not, given he's seeking to be Commander In Chief in a time of war. Just like the actions of the current Commander in chief in a time of war are also relevant.

Cowperson

Perhaps you're right. I remember reading that from your post now, so maybe I did get the wrong person. I wish more people would admit the WMD jig was up or that he should be removed instead of blindly following (not that I'm saying you do)him/his party.
I just hope any of Kerry's comments are taken in full context. Having said that, did anyone watch the PBS bio of both Kerry and Bush last night?

[Lanny_MacDonald]

You're kidding, right Cow? Maybe its because you are across the border and aren't getting the extent of the coverage on this, but this issue is a massive can of worms. This is the largest ownership company in the country when it comes to television, and it is going to use its broadcast capability to broadcast what its political views. Sinclair is not just a Fox broadcaster, but also owns ABC, NBC and ABC affiliates. This company plans on blocking time on ALL of its stations, regardless of affiliation, and broadcast this "documentary" that is considered extreme propaganda. This is an unbelievable abuse of power. I think the FCC should be pulling licenses for this if Sinclair follows through. That doesn't even touch on breach of affiliate agreements, which is a kettle of fish in its own right.

What I find funny is that the Republicans did everything they could to make sure that F911 was not released. They pressured Disney and made sure that Miramax would not release it under their umbrella. Disney was willing to eat millions of dollars in production costs to NOT release this film. This was such a contentious issue that Miramax and Disney went their seperate ways. Ironically it took a Canadian company (Lions Gate) to distribute the film and get the ball rolling. The rest is history.

So you had a Republican run company that was willing to eat millions of dollars to NOT release a critically acclaimed, major award winning film, for political reasons. Now you have a neo-conservative Company, Sinclair, who is going to spend millions of dollars in air time to broacast a "documentary" made on the cheap by some individuals with one message and one message only, to smear an individual. This is also not the first time Sinclair has done this. He prevented his ABC affiliates from broacasting a Nightline Report that read off the names of those soldiers killed in Iraq. They viewed that as being unAmerican content and damaging to the President and the Republican party. Honoring those fallen in battle is unAmerican? WTF??? Some will say that there is a similarity between the two situations, but I just don't see it. The only similarity is that both situations have Republican run companies doing what they feel is right to protect/promote their politcal views. So much for the "liberal controlled media". It seems to me that the Republicans want it one way and one way only. Its not kosher.

[arsenal]

Just like Michael Moore taking people comments in context? Moore is trying to get F9/11 on network TV before the elections.

I guess you could say, 1 good turn deserves another.