Video of UCLA Police

[Crazy Flamer]

Originally Posted by Josh

7. The kid deserved it... he was taunting them.

This is the arguement I choose. Once he started blabbering about the patriot act, I would've tazed him too just for being a dumbass.

Being a dumbass should not be the requisite for being tasered. Byt the sounds of it, the initial mistake was made by the cops in singling him out. did the student make mistakes along the way? Sure, but from witness accounts, he felt singled out because being of Middle Eastern decent. Its racial profiling.

And witnesses say he was getting ready to leave when the cops grabbed him. And to tase him 5 times? Give me a break. You know, if I had been there and witnessed that, I probably would have jumped on one of the cops and started pounding on him. Instead of yelling "get up" why not just pick him up and drag him out?

[Reaper]

It blows my mind how many people think that he should be tortured with electricity simply for being civilly disobedient.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Crazy Flamer

Being a dumbass should not be the requisite for being tasered. Byt the sounds of it, the initial mistake was made by the cops in singling him out. did the student make mistakes along the way? Sure, but from witness accounts, he felt singled out because being of Middle Eastern decent. Its racial profiling.

And witnesses say he was getting ready to leave when the cops grabbed him. And to tase him 5 times? Give me a break. You know, if I had been there and witnessed that, I probably would have jumped on one of the cops and started pounding on him. Instead of yelling "get up" why not just pick him up and drag him out?

There is no logical explanation for that level of abuse. And i'm going to call out all the people in this thread who think there is. You are bigots, and blinded by your own prejudices. Anyone who watched the video can clearly tell that it is an abuse of power. There is no reasonable explantation for what the cops did to that kid. You might as well admit it, you think he deserves it because he's one of "them". If you're going to be ignorant, at least come out and admit it. (edit: not directed at you Crazy Flamer, just building from your post).

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Crazy Flamer

Byt the sounds of it, the initial mistake was made by the cops in singling him out. did the student make mistakes along the way? Sure, but from witness accounts, he felt singled out because being of Middle Eastern decent. Its racial profiling.

the initial mistake had nothing to do with the cops. they didn't even show up until long into this mess. IF you believe the lawyer (who are known to be the most honest folk to walk the earth) and IF you believe he was only asked for id because he wasn't white then the initial mistake would be with the library staff. however, if you'd stop and think for a moment before climbing on your politically correct high horse, you'd realize that its library policy to check id's of people working in the library after 11pm particularly in the computer lab. this rule is routinely enforced.

refusing to show your id until the id of every white kid in the library is check ed so you can feel normal just draws a lot of suspicion.

being somewhere that you're not allowed to (because you don't have id) = tresspassing
passivly resisting arrest = still resisting arrest
screaming at cops and physically trying to get their hands off you....
trying to get other students to join your resistance....
other students demanding to get officers' badge numbers while they're dealing with an active situation...
hmmmm


they might have taken it a tad to far - but these damn liberal hippie college kids that think they know all their rights and are prepared to try to exercise every last inch of them simply to prove a point really need a boot to the head sometimes to remind them who's boss

[Crazy Flamer]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

the initial mistake had nothing to do with the cops. they didn't even show up until long into this mess. IF you believe the lawyer (who are known to be the most honest folk to walk the earth) and IF you believe he was only asked for id because he wasn't white then the initial mistake would be with the library staff. however, if you'd stop and think for a moment before climbing on your politically correct high horse, you'd realize that its library policy to check id's of people working in the library after 11pm particularly in the computer lab. this rule is routinely enforced.

refusing to show your id until the id of every white kid in the library is check ed so you can feel normal just draws a lot of suspicion.

being somewhere that you're not allowed to (because you don't have id) = tresspassing
passivly resisting arrest = still resisting arrest
screaming at cops and physically trying to get their hands off you....
trying to get other students to join your resistance....
other students demanding to get officers' badge numbers while they're dealing with an active situation...
hmmmm


they might have taken it a tad to far - but these damn liberal hippie college kids that think they know all their rights and are prepared to try to exercise every last inch of them simply to prove a point really need a boot to the head sometimes to remind them who's boss

Im assuming both the lawyer and wintesses are correct. thus far, I have no reason to believe otherwise. You on the otherhand have chosen to disregard the information provided to you. I'm not climbing any high horse here...

[jolinar of malkshor]

It comes down to this. Poor training for the police officers involved.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Crazy Flamer

Im assuming both the lawyer and wintesses are correct. thus far, I have no reason to believe otherwise. You on the otherhand have chosen to disregard the information provided to you. I'm not climbing any high horse here...

before they go tossing around allegations of racial discrimination i think they better at least claim something better than "i was asked for id and i'm brown, therefore i was wronged". was he the first one asked for id in the building? first one in the computer lab? any possible explanation for why he might have been the first one asked? such as... he was simply the one sitting closest to the information desk? sitting closest to the door? there's a ton of legitimate non-racist explanations of why he was id'd or id'd first.

[Crazy Flamer]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

before they go tossing around allegations of racial discrimination i think they better at least claim something better than "i was asked for id and i'm brown, therefore i was wronged". was he the first one asked for id in the building? first one in the computer lab? any possible explanation for why he might have been the first one asked? such as... he was simply the one sitting closest to the information desk? sitting closest to the door? there's a ton of legitimate non-racist explanations of why he was id'd or id'd first.

Sounds to me like he was the only one asked for ID.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Crazy Flamer

Sounds to me like he was the only one asked for ID.

that's the way the lawyer is trying to spin it to make it look like his client was wronged. might have been the kid didn't notice anyone getting id'd. might have been they're leaving out the fact that a couple other students were id'd to have a better case. might be he was the first one they randomly chose to id and nobody else got id'd because they couldn't until they dealt with this little situation that erupted.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

before they go tossing around allegations of racial discrimination i think they better at least claim something better than "i was asked for id and i'm brown, therefore i was wronged". was he the first one asked for id in the building? first one in the computer lab? any possible explanation for why he might have been the first one asked? such as... he was simply the one sitting closest to the information desk? sitting closest to the door? there's a ton of legitimate non-racist explanations of why he was id'd or id'd first.

So what does that have to do with tasering a guy numerous times while he is handcuffed/restrained? The argument here is whether or not the cops went too far, not whether there was a legit reason to check his ID. They might have had a legitimate reason to ask for ID, fine. You are still ignoring the facts that the guy was about to leave, they restrained him, and basically attacked him numerous times with a taser. He did nothing, other than refuse to show his ID, which was probably a mistake on his part. And how do you know they didn't just single him out? Were you there? I'm sure this kid went to the library without his ID on purpose, just so he could make a scene and make a point, as you put it. That's what all liberal hippie college kids do, they bait others into situations like this to make them look bad. Good explanation man, you've nailed it. Get real buddy. You disgust me.

[Crazy Flamer]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

that's the way the lawyer is trying to spin it to make it look like his client was wronged. might have been the kid didn't notice anyone getting id'd. might have been they're leaving out the fact that a couple other students were id'd to have a better case. might be he was the first one they randomly chose to id and nobody else got id'd because they couldn't until they dealt with this little situation that erupted.

Or maybe he WAS racially profiled against and the lawyer isn't spinning the truth, merely recalling the factual events as they occurred.

I'm sure a lawsuit and a trial (if there is one) will bring out the truth.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Crazy Flamer

Or maybe he WAS racially profiled against and the lawyer isn't spinning the truth, merely recalling the factual events as they occurred.

I'm sure a lawsuit and a trial (if there is one) will bring out the truth.

maybe, i'm certainly not ruling that out. just pointing out that there are a lot of people wanting heads to roll for this racial discrimination when the people passing judgement don't have all the facts. playing the race card carries a LOT of weight in society these days. it gets played far too often and far too quickly before everything is completely understood. just wanting people to have a little sanity check on their opinions - if i have to play the devil's advocate to do that - so be it.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

blah, blah, blahbitty, blah

What are you? The Defense Lawyer for the UCLA Community Police Department?

[Crazy Flamer]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

maybe, i'm certainly not ruling that out. just pointing out that there are a lot of people wanting heads to roll for this racial discrimination when the people passing judgement don't have all the facts. playing the race card carries a LOT of weight in society these days. it gets played far too often and far too quickly before everything is completely understood. just wanting people to have a little sanity check on their opinions - if i have to play the devil's advocate to do that - so be it.

I'm not going to argue about the race thing. We will get nowhere.

Regardless of whether it was racial profiling or not, nothing that student did warranted being tasered so much, or at all as far as I'm concerned.

[Flames_Gimp]

what a ######... he cant stand up, yet he can still scream profanities at the cops... ****in moron shouldn't have resisted.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Igottago

So what does that have to do with tasering a guy numerous times while he is handcuffed/restrained? The argument here is whether or not the cops went too far, not whether there was a legit reason to check his ID. They might have had a legitimate reason to ask for ID, fine. You are still ignoring the facts that the guy was about to leave, they restrained him, and basically attacked him numerous times with a taser. He did nothing, other than refuse to show his ID, which was probably a mistake on his part. And how do you know they didn't just single him out? Were you there? I'm sure this kid went to the library without his ID on purpose, just so he could make a scene and make a point, as you put it. That's what all liberal hippie college kids do, they bait others into situations like this to make them look bad. Good explanation man, you've nailed it. Get real buddy. You disgust me.

i assume that yes, he did go to the library and didn't realize he didn't have his id on him. rules are rules though - you're not allowed in there after 11 without proper id. this is where he decided to be a complete twat and try to tresspass and resist arrest (not sure if this is the correct term, possibly impeding a police investigation - the cops came to take him, escort him out and question him about the incident). he decided to do all this probably cause he felt it was within his rights and to prove a point - why else would he be screaming about the patriot act.

however, that comment was directed mostly towards the kids demanding badge numbers and information while they're dealing with a suspect. yes you have the right to that information but there's a time and place to get it and they clearly picked the wrong one. them doing this probably made it a lot worse for the kid then it was going to be.

DISCLAIMER: i'm not saying tasering him 5 times was right. just trying to get a little sanity here. the kid's actions were not 100% innocent here - he ****ed up.... a lot.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Reaper

It blows my mind how many people think that he should be tortured with electricity simply for being civilly disobedient.

sounded like he was a bit more then just disobediant... probably juiced up on something.

[Crazy Flamer]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

sounded like he was a bit more then just disobediant... probably juiced up on something.

Wow, now that's an assumption right out of left field.

don't you think being tasered 5 times unjustifiably would be enough to let out a little outrage??

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

they might have taken it a tad to far - but these damn liberal hippie college kids that think they know all their rights and are prepared to try to exercise every last inch of them simply to prove a point really need a boot to the head sometimes to remind them who's boss

Last time I looked the cops aren't the boss, they're public servants. This cop attitude of us against them is what's causing a lot of the problems where the general public no longer trusts the police.

[Jayems]

if i ever got tazered, i'd play dead. scare the crap out of the cops... and they'd stop doing it too