Alberta police can seize and auction off johns' cars

[JiriHrdina]

Yeah pretty dumb. Legalize and regulate the whole thing. Get control of the drug problems, protect the girls, clean up the neighbourhoods - everything could be improved if society could just show a bit of forethought and progressive thinking instead of getting caught up in the thought of people paying for sex.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

? For some reason I don't think Johns are going to be scared off because of this law... there are plenty of laws regulating all kinds of illegal activities, and yet they happen all the time (like auto-theft for example). People know its wrong and that there are penalties, but they do it all the same...

Ahhh but I think this law has the potential to hit Johns in a very meaningful and practical way. Paying a fine means nothing, nor would some probation or other slap on the wrist. But having them explain to their wife or employer why the truck's not going to be around for a few months? Yeesh, could be dicey. Betcha they'd rather avoid that.

It'll definately impact the "desperate husbands" out there.... It was always pathetic to see the minivans with the car seats and vanity front license plates (ie a Red Rose on the plate) making the rounds. I bet they think twice before taking the Caravan out to do the deed.

[Igottago]

Its funny; sex is absolutely everywhere in our society, from film to music videos, to video games, to books, to billboard ads..its everywhere. So it just doesn't make sense to try to sweep the issue of prostitution under the rug, or try get rid of it because of some sense of moral shame or embarrassment. I agree with many on here, regulate it, make it safe, and it'll solve a lot of the crime and drug problems associated with it.

[ken0042]

Something I'm not clear on; if the act itself is legal, then why were some massage parlors shut down a few months (or a year) ago? Wouldn't that be like the escorts where you pay for a massage, then once you are alone you discuss sex.

[brownie]

Why not just post the Johns' pictures up on an internet site???After conviction of course. I bet that would deter a few of them.

[troutman]

Canada Considers Further Legalizing Prostitution While Amsterdam Mayor Admits Legalization's Failure

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/oct/05100508.html

Meanwhile the mayor of Amsterdam has for the first time admitted that the Dutch experiment to curb abuse by legalizing prostitution has failed miserably.

Policemen in Amsterdam's infamous red light district were quoted by Dutch media Friday as saying, "We are in the midst of modern slavery." Due to the legalization of prostitution in the Netherlands in 2000, police are hampered in confronting the horrors that are characteristic of the sex trade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostit...he_Netherlands

http://sisyphe.org/article.php3?id_article=1965

http://www.catwinternational.org/index.php

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by I-Hate-Hulse

Ahhh but I think this law has the potential to hit Johns in a very meaningful and practical way. Paying a fine means nothing, nor would some probation or other slap on the wrist. But having them explain to their wife or employer why the truck's not going to be around for a few months? Yeesh, could be dicey. Betcha they'd rather avoid that.

It'll definately impact the "desperate husbands" out there.... It was always pathetic to see the minivans with the car seats and vanity front license plates (ie a Red Rose on the plate) making the rounds. I bet they think twice before taking the Caravan out to do the deed.

These guys are willing to risk disease, public humiliation, arrest and getting beat up by some pimp anytime they go out and do this. If they aren't deterred already, I don't see this doing it.

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Something I'm not clear on; if the act itself is legal, then why were some massage parlors shut down a few months (or a year) ago? Wouldn't that be like the escorts where you pay for a massage, then once you are alone you discuss sex.

Keeping common bawdy-house

210. (1) Every one who keeps a common bawdy-house is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.

Landlord, inmate, etc.

(2) Every one who
(a) is an inmate of a common bawdy-house,
(b) is found, without lawful excuse, in a common bawdy-house, or
(c) as owner, landlord, lessor, tenant, occupier, agent or otherwise having charge or control of any place, knowingly permits the place or any part thereof to be let or used for the purposes of a common bawdy-house,
is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Notice of conviction to be served on owner

(3) Where a person is convicted of an offence under subsection (1), the court shall cause a notice of the conviction to be served on the owner, landlord or lessor of the place in respect of which the person is convicted or his agent, and the notice shall contain a statement to the effect that it is being served pursuant to this section.

Duty of landlord on notice

(4) Where a person on whom a notice is served under subsection (3) fails forthwith to exercise any right he may have to determine the tenancy or right of occupation of the person so convicted, and thereafter any person is convicted of an offence under subsection (1) in respect of the same premises, the person on whom the notice was served shall be deemed to have committed an offence under subsection (1) unless he proves that he has taken all reasonable steps to prevent the recurrence of the offence.

[vanisleflamesfan]

[quote=I-Hate-Hulse;603685]Read paragraph 3. I think it's more about moving the business off the streets and into the realm of escort agencies quote]

This is it exactly. The city of Calgary licenses escorts... think about that, the city of Calgary is one of the biggest pimps around. The city has a vested interest in making it as difficult as possible for these girls to ply their trade on the streets. Most of these girls on the streets cannot afford the license fees, or else just plain would not be accepted to work for these agencies. Additionally, take your ethical concerns agains prostituion out of it, with the lack of funding for street-based agencies in Alberta, some of these girls have no choice, work like this, or starve to death.

In typical Alberta fashion, those that are least able to defend their interests are stomped on so that the rich can get richer. Read between the lines here, this is a very discreet and acceptable form of class war.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Doesn't most of the business take place on the streets? Is there honestly anything other than round the clock surveillance that could do this? For some reason I don't think Johns are going to be scared off because of this law... there are plenty of laws regulating all kinds of illegal activities, and yet they happen all the time (like auto-theft for example). People know its wrong and that there are penalties, but they do it all the same...

I think it might be naive to believe anything other than a massive police effort can 'get prostitution off the streets', thats where tons of it happens. If they really wanted to get it off the streets why not just arrest and sentence every prostitute out there?

Because they view prostitutes as the victims, those on the margins of society, and the john as the willing profiteers of their status. Women have more to offer than sex and a well-adjusted society should recognize this in my opinion.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Something I'm not clear on; if the act itself is legal, then why were some massage parlors shut down a few months (or a year) ago? Wouldn't that be like the escorts where you pay for a massage, then once you are alone you discuss sex.

The massage parlour is a business and as such can be considered 'public property' in a legal sense as best as I can guess.

[brownie]

[/quote] Additionally, take your ethical concerns agains prostituion out of it, with the lack of funding for street-based agencies in Alberta, some of these girls have no choice, work like this, or starve to death.[/quote]
No choice but to starve...yeah good one,Have you seen any "help wanted"signs around the city????

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by brownie

Why not just post the Johns' pictures up on an internet site???After conviction of course. I bet that would deter a few of them.

Don't they already do this, except with licence plates?

[White Doors]

[quote=vanisleflamesfan;603760]

Originally Posted by I-Hate-Hulse

Read paragraph 3. I think it's more about moving the business off the streets and into the realm of escort agencies quote]

This is it exactly. The city of Calgary licenses escorts... think about that, the city of Calgary is one of the biggest pimps around. The city has a vested interest in making it as difficult as possible for these girls to ply their trade on the streets. Most of these girls on the streets cannot afford the license fees, or else just plain would not be accepted to work for these agencies. Additionally, take your ethical concerns agains prostituion out of it, with the lack of funding for street-based agencies in Alberta, some of these girls have no choice, work like this, or starve to death.

In typical Alberta fashion, those that are least able to defend their interests are stomped on so that the rich can get richer. Read between the lines here, this is a very discreet and acceptable form of class war.

Ok... wow - talk about wielding one's personal political agenda axe on the back of the people that this law is trying to protect. You're political views are cross-eyed.

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[White Doors]

In typical Alberta fashion, those that are least able to defend their interests are stomped on so that the rich can get richer. Read between the lines here, this is a very discreet and acceptable form of class war.

$20 says this is an NDP voter.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by White Doors

Women have more to offer than sex and a well-adjusted society should recognize this in my opinion.

Yeah, our society obviously isn't well adjusted, just look at the images we present young girls all the time. When your role models are Paris Hilton and Britney Spears, what do you think that does to a young girl's vision of her body and her sexual self worth? So maybe the key to less prostitution is empowering girls in the first place, to know that their contribution to society can be much more than their body. I think many prostitutes are victims of abuse and never really had a fighting chance, but there seems to be a prevailing marginilization/sexualization of girls resurfacing in our culture. But maybe that's a bigger issue than what's being covered in this thread.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Yeah, our society obviously isn't well adjusted, just look at the images we present young girls all the time. When your role models are Paris Hilton and Britney Spears, what do you think that does to a young girl's vision of her body and her sexual self worth? So maybe the key to less prostitution is empowering girls in the first place, to know that their contribution to society can be much more than their body. I think many prostitutes are victims of abuse and never really had a fighting chance, but there seems to be a prevailing marginilization/sexualization of girls resurfacing in our culture. But maybe that's a bigger issue than what's being covered in this thread.

I agree completely, all I'm saying is that we should be targeting the people taking advantage of this situation (the john's) and not the prostitues themselves. This law does that.

[White Doors]

I can't think of any woman I have ever met that would pick whore as a career choice. I'm sure there are some. I don't think that selling one's body and soul for $100 is good for anybody.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by White Doors

I can't think of any woman I have ever met that would pick whore as a career choice. I'm sure there are some. I don't think that selling one's body and soul for $100 is good for anybody.

for a hit of crack or whatever fix she's on, i think is the issue.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Looger

for a hit of crack or whatever fix she's on, i think is the issue.

Yes, that is true. Prostitution is not a problem in and of itself, it is a symptom. Go after the Johns to help solve this problem. If you can give it away for $50 is a drug induced haze during a 10 minute walk, it kind of covers up their 'problem' to begin with. These victims need to realize that they are victims and need a way out. Not perpetuate it.