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troutman · 10-18-2006, 04:48 PM

Immunization is a "business"? The one that was profiting was Wakefield. See my post above.

If you choose not to immunize your children, be warned:

http://www.quackwatch.org/03HealthPr...mu/autism.html

Immunization against measles has led to a dramatic decrease in the incidence of measles, which is sometimes fatal. I believe that the manner in which CNN covered this issue was extremely irresponsible and will result in the death of children whose parents are scared out of having their children receive it.

As for homeopathy:

http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...ics/homeo.html

Homeopathy: The Ultimate Fake

Stephen Barrett, M.D.

If the FDA required homeopathic remedies to be proven effective in order to remain marketable -- the standard it applies to other categories of drugs -- homeopathy would face extinction in the United States

http://www.homeowatch.org/

Knut · 10-18-2006, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tower

I have not given my children any shots and I choose not to. You can get the same protection from homeopathics and they do not contain the toxic chemicals that vaccines contain.

That is because there have not been extensive studies on homeopathics.... they are not regulated by the FDA... basically you could make something up in your bath tub and market it as a homeopathic medication...As well, homeopathic medications do not need to list all their ingredients.

There are just as many toxic chemicals in most homeopathic medications, the difference being that they have not been rigorously tested.

Quite frankly i trust pharmaceuticals way more than I trust any homeopathic remedies.

All in all.. the best vaccine against microbes are the antibodies that cross the placenta from mother to child...

Tower · 10-18-2006, 05:06 PM

No Troutman - Western Medicine is a business. Vaccinations are a product.

As for Homeopathy: The Ultimate Fake - Stephen Barrett, M.D.

I wouldn't have my barber fix my car - I would have a doctor talk to me about homeopathics. I'd talk to a Homeopathic doctor.

Homeopathics are amaizing. They are from England. And a doctor is in study for 12 years (might be 11) - They are not tested because they profit margins are not there. Homeopathics are cheap. Pills from pharmacuticals are not.

N.A. uses 90% (approx as I'm going from memory again) of the worlds medications.

Anything else? Nothing about how you get tetanus?

Sorry about the bolding of the words - I just copied and pasted you MD reference Troutman .

Tower · 10-18-2006, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hesla

That is because there have not been extensive studies on homeopathics.... they are not regulated by the FDA... basically you could make something up in your bath tub and market it as a homeopathic medication...As well, homeopathic medications do not need to list all their ingredients.

There are just as many toxic chemicals in most homeopathic medications, the difference being that they have not been rigorously tested.

Quite frankly i trust pharmaceuticals way more than I trust any homeopathic remedies.

All in all.. the best vaccine against microbes are the antibodies that cross the placenta from mother to child...

Yes, no money in it. But they are regulated in Europe. There are regulations out there. They are just ingnored by N.A. doctors. Who runs the FDA again???

Tower · 10-18-2006, 05:10 PM

My dream is for all of us to work together. But that won't happen unless the N.A. doctors start to listen. Did you know that a pharmacy company is trying to patent vitamins!

Shazam · 10-18-2006, 05:11 PM

Well, I hope your kid gets polio. Is there a homopathic cure for that?

Tower · 10-18-2006, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Shazam

Well, I hope your kid gets polio. Is there a homopathic cure for that?

You're an a##hole.

How do you get polio you twit?

For other people not wishing polio on small children - here's an article on the polio redifining. http://whale.to/vaccine/polio1.html

Shazam · 10-18-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tower

You're an a##hole.

How do you get polio you twit?

And you're an idiot. You'd better make some space for that iron lung in your living room.

And that's a great source you have there. Can you give me some links on UFOs? I really, really want to believe.

Tower · 10-18-2006, 05:29 PM

Here's some Homeopathic info. Non bias from what I read so far anyway. Troutman - I read my post - if it come across as sassy I'm not trying to.

I respect your imput. I know your backgroud and I know debating you will result in me just telling lawyer jokes....http://www.medscimonit.com/pub/vol_11/no_12/8209.pdf

Shazam · 10-18-2006, 05:35 PM

That pseudo-scientific "article" you linked to wasn't worth the electricity I used to read it.

Knut · 10-18-2006, 05:35 PM

The following is from a homeopathy school.... showing the requirements to get in.. which is basically.. an essay...

from... http://www.homeopathycanada.com/school/

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Enrolment Eligibility
Applicants to the professional diploma program in classical homeopathy must have completed their OSSD (Ontario Secondary School Diploma) or equivalent, plus a minimum of two years of study at the college/university level. Applicants who have not achieved these requirements may apply under "Special Student" status.

If you are applying as a special student, please submit an essay describing your intention to apply yourself to consistent study and hard work to the level of a university degree, as well as any personal qualities and contributions that would support your application. Indicate if there are reasons why your academic record does not reflect your true academic ability. Your essay should be typed, double-spaced and a maximum of four pages.
Applicants must have an open and tolerant mind and be interested in people and the world we live in. We prefer applicants to be 21 years of age and over. There is no upper age limit and we accept many mature students.
TSHM encourages a creative and warm learning environment between students, staff and lecturers. Respect, honesty, trust and integrity are required in these interactions to form the basis for professional interactions with patients. We encourage all applicants to start their own inner work (counselling, bodywork, homeopathy, etc.) before applying for the course. For those with a purely intellectual interest in homeopathy, we recommend taking an introductory course with selected readings instead.

Professional Diploma Program

TSHM offers intensive three and four-year part-time training programs with classes beginning in September and January of each year. Classes are held two weekends per month at beautiful Victoria College in the University of Toronto and at the TSHM location at 1881 Yonge Street, Suite 500, Toronto, Ontario M4S 3C4. The three-year part-time program leads to a diploma from the School. The fourth year is an optional post-graduate year designed to help bridge the gap from student to professional practitioner. Completion of the fourth year leads to a Fellowship from the School.

-----> So basically... right out of high school you can write an essay.. get into the program... and then doing two weekends a month of classes over 3/4 years you can be a "doctor" of homeopathic medicine...

Sure seems sketchy to me that you could be entrusting your life to someone with less than a bachelor of science.....

Cain · 10-18-2006, 05:40 PM

Homeopathic remedies are a myth.

They have not been given the testing that regular drugs go through, nor the screening. As much as you might want to find alternative cures, the drugs that are manufactured and regulated by the health community undergo quite the scrutiny, and are actually tested over a number of year. This does not happen with homeopathic or herbal remedies.

And asking a doctor about homeopathic medicine is akin to asking a barber to do something with your car? Are you nuts?

A doctor is (or should) be trained to know how things affect your body, and the mechanics by which they do it. There really is no better person to ask.

And really, if you call drugs a business (which they are), then at least I'd go with the business that is subject to countless tests and trials, rather than the one that is largely unregulated (homeopathic and herbal drugs/remedies are a business...just the same as regular manufactured ones).

Tower · 10-18-2006, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hesla

The following is from a homeopathy school.... showing the requirements to get in.. which is basically.. an essay...

from... http://www.homeopathycanada.com/school/

-----> So basically... right out of high school you can write an essay.. get into the program... and then doing two weekends a month of classes over 3/4 years you can be a "doctor" of homeopathic medicine...

Sure seems sketchy to me that you could be entrusting your life to someone with less than a bachelor of science.....

I agree. I'm talking about schools in England. It is not regulated in N.A. so this can happen. Did you know that a massage therapist can read a book in alberta and call himself one? Except for Calgary, Edmonton, and lethbridge I think. You need a 200 hour class.
every where else is 2000 hours. BC is stupid with the requirments.

Tower · 10-18-2006, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cain

Homeopathic remedies are a myth.

They have not been given the testing that regular drugs go through, nor the screening. As much as you might want to find alternative cures, the drugs that are manufactured and regulated by the health community undergo quite the scrutiny, and are actually tested over a number of year. This does not happen with homeopathic or herbal remedies.

And asking a doctor about homeopathic medicine is akin to asking a barber to do something with your car? Are you nuts?

A doctor is (or should) be trained to know how things affect your body, and the mechanics by which they do it. There really is no better person to ask.

And really, if you call drugs a business (which they are), then at least I'd go with the business that is subject to countless tests and trials, rather than the one that is largely unregulated (homeopathic and herbal drugs/remedies are a business...just the same as regular manufactured ones).

T>H>E>Y> A>R>E> N>O>T> R>E>G>U>L>A>T>E>D> I>N> N.>A.>! Geeze people read everything! don't pick apart on section. believe what you want! I don't care. I know what it takes I know what it can do!

Cain · 10-18-2006, 05:49 PM

Well I was browsing a school based in england and it did not appear you even had to write an essay to get in, merely pay.

Not someone I'd trust to give me medication for serious things. Heck even mild ones.

What about you comparing a doctor to a barber? Were you serious?

Tower · 10-18-2006, 05:51 PM

I'll get the info. I can't remember what school it is. You do extensive studies. Yes you need to know the body/reactions/just like a M.D. I agree.

Hey let's get to chiropractic care now!

Cain · 10-18-2006, 05:53 PM

Oh I'd have lots to say about chiropractors too, believe me

Tower · 10-18-2006, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cain

Well I was browsing a school based in england and it did not appear you even had to write an essay to get in, merely pay.

Not someone I'd trust to give me medication for serious things. Heck even mild ones.

What about you comparing a doctor to a barber? Were you serious?

lol - no it's an expression - they don't know how to fix a car they cut hair.

Just as a MD does not know about natural medicine.

Because N.A. does not want to give it regulations. Once it is regulated they give it credibility thus you lose the quacks. Yes they are out there. Once it is regulated how many 10 days to homeopathic medicine colleges will you see?

The Alberta Medical Association does not recommend massage or chiropractic. Thus most doctors don't. But I need to get some homework done.....

Cain · 10-18-2006, 05:59 PM

How would an MD not know about it? It is a form of treatment just like any other, it affects, or trys to affect the same things that a drug would...It is their job to know. And they do, at least the good ones.

If you think that only a "homeopathic doctor" is knowledgeable of his/her field I think you are limiting yourself to a very biased viewpoint.

Tower · 10-18-2006, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cain

How would an MD not know about it? It is a form of treatment just like any other, it affects, or trys to affect the same things that a drug would...It is their job to know. And they do, at least the good ones.

If you think that only a "homeopathic doctor" is knowledgeable of his/her field I think you are limiting yourself to a very biased viewpoint.

Yup - I won't talk to an MD because they don't study about homeopathics.

There is a MD that works at the Wild Rose clinic. He does it all, and we need more of these types out there. But I won't talk to a MD about Chiropractic or Massage or homeopathics.

I think you're limiting yourself from a better healthier life... lol