Animal Cruelty in Didsbury

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Sowa

not cranky at all, what animal product do I have in my house? just name one...

mayonaise?
margarine?

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Maybe, but why? I'm looking around this office (in the house) and I can't see anything that would be an animal or animal by-product, and I don't even try to avoid such things. I could easily live without the leather belt/jacket/shoes I have, and a vegan diet is possible.

There are lots of 'em, alot of them will surprise you.

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[Flashpoint]

When I read stuff like this, it just makes me hate humanity. I just can't imagine anyone doing this to a fracking dog. IT'S just a DOG! It isn't like it slept with your wife, moron. It never insulted your religion, or beat up your kid. It didn't steal your money or shoot up your car. What a couple of ****ing asshats.

[jolinar of malkshor]

I love animals just as much as the next person on this site. But...it is very interesting how people get so upset (including myself) about situations like this but not when things like this happen to human beings.

Most people get jack **** if they murder someone. In most cases it gets pled down to mansluagher.

This study showed "In 35 of the 49 court decisions reviewed for this report the offender was originally charged with murder and pleaded guilty to manslaughter; in all of these cases the plea was eventually accepted."

If you include women's prison sentences for manslaughter the average prison term is 5 years. That right 5 years. "Given the myriad of circumstances that can arise in relation to a manslaughter charge, it is very difficult to draw any conclusions on the appropriateness of the sentences imposed in the cases reviewed. As stated on page 13, male offenders were likely to receive sentences in the range of 6 - 12 years in prison, whereas female offenders were more likely to receive sentences of 2 years less one day incarceration or less"

We have some people on this site calling for the death penalty or 10 years in prison. When we don't even give close to that for the murder of a human than I think the value of an animal is much less. As it should be.

Needless to say these people do need to be punished, spend time in jail and be prohibited from owning any animials for LIFE.

http://www.justice.gc.ca/en/dept/pub...t_concrec.html

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I love animals just as much as the next person on this site. But...it is very interesting how people get so upset (including myself) about situations like this but not when things like this happen to human beings.

Most people get jack **** if they murder someone. In most cases it gets pled down to mansluagher.

This study showed "In 35 of the 49 court decisions reviewed for this report the offender was originally charged with murder and pleaded guilty to manslaughter; in all of these cases the plea was eventually accepted."

If you include women's prison sentences for manslaughter the average prison term is 5 years. That right 5 years. "Given the myriad of circumstances that can arise in relation to a manslaughter charge, it is very difficult to draw any conclusions on the appropriateness of the sentences imposed in the cases reviewed. As stated on page 13, male offenders were likely to receive sentences in the range of 6 - 12 years in prison, whereas female offenders were more likely to receive sentences of 2 years less one day incarceration or less"

We have some people on this site calling for the death penalty or 10 years in prison. When we don't even give close to that for the murder of a human than I think the value of an animal is much less. As it should be.

Needless to say these people do need to be punished, spend time in jail and be prohibited from owning any animials for LIFE.

http://www.justice.gc.ca/en/dept/pub...t_concrec.html

Good points,

I guess the reason some people treat this sort of thing differently is a Dog is completely innocent. It trusts its owners, and is virtually defenseless.

Human beings are turned off by other human beings, because we are accustomed to the lowliness of humanity.

It isn't right either.

[OILFAN #81]

Just an update: A neighbour in this case left death threats over voicemail to the 19 year old who owned the dog. That neighbour was charged for death threats.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Good points,

I guess the reason some people treat this sort of thing differently is a Dog is completely innocent. It trusts its owners, and is virtually defenseless.

Human beings are turned off by other human beings, because we are accustomed to the lowliness of humanity.

It isn't right either.

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thank you.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Just an update: A neighbour in this case left death threats over voicemail to the 19 year old who owned the dog. That neighbour was charged for death threats.

They will give the guy the guy a break when the media attention dies down. (unless he has a habit of this).

[PYroMaNiaC]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

And that makes me sad. If I got it right, you're a rural person. In which case you deal with animals and have taken in mixed breed dogs. And you understand the principles of animal husbrandry.

I wish there was someway I could make you feel better.

Thank you for your thoughts, Reggie. Despair yesterday for the waste of a wonderful companion and friend. Angry today for the blind eye.

These boys are not young children - they are young adults. This behaviour can not possibly be new. Torture of animals generally starts at a much younger age. There had to had to have been signals that something was wrong with these men. I do not understand how any close knit community, like Didsbury, could fail to see there was an issue here.

I work in another small community, and if someone sneezes on the corner at 2 in the afternoon, everyone knows about it by 3. Gossips and busybodies are the life-blood of a small town. Someone knew these men weren't playing with a full deck. It could have been prevented.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by PYroMaNiaC

Thank you for your thoughts, Reggie. Despair yesterday for the waste of a wonderful companion and friend. Angry today for the blind eye.

Having grown up with relatives in the agricultural business, I have some understanding of animals. Dogs are probably more valuable as workers than as companions (although that is as important). Equally important that you don't mistreat your livestock (your livlihood). Children growing up in that environment learn that at a very young age.

Originally Posted by PYroMaNiaC

These boys are not young children - they are young adults. This behaviour can not possibly be new. Torture of animals generally starts at a much younger age. There had to had to have been signals that something was wrong with these men. I do not understand how any close knit community, like Didsbury, could fail to see there was an issue here.

Absolutely. Although I think raising a stink in a small community is infinitely more difficult.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by White Doors

mayonaise?
margarine?

um I've been vegan for 10 years i pretty much know everything that is an animal by product and if I don't there's literature out there that tells you what is and isn't... Obviously, you have no knowledge of the vegan culture if you think someone who claims they are vegan will have mayonaise in their house...

[red '00]

What the hell is wrong with people? I saw two videos on the Internet this week, one of a women stopping on a cat and one of people skinning a dog alive. They're living creatres with feelings and a memory.... Christ.....

[PYroMaNiaC]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Having grown up with relatives in the agricultural business, I have some understanding of animals. Dogs are probably more valuable as workers than as companions (although that is as important). Equally important that you don't mistreat your livestock (your livlihood). Children growing up in that environment learn that at a very young age.

Although I don't live on a farm or ranch - just in the middle of whole lot of trees, our dogs protect my children from cougars, wolves, coyotes, and bears. They can feel safe running around out here because our pets are trained to go with them, watch them. When you live in a rural community, friends and neighbors can be miles away and our girls' companions become the animals. The girls respect and love them because the dogs would put their lives at risk to keep my kids safe.

With such close ties to animals in so many ways, it's incomprehensible to me that such a horrible act could happen.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by PYroMaNiaC

Although I don't live on a farm or ranch - just in the middle of whole lot of trees, our dogs protect my children from cougars, wolves, coyotes, and bears. They can feel safe running around out here because our pets are trained to go with them, watch them. When you live in a rural community, friends and neighbors can be miles away and our girls' companions become the animals. The girls respect and love them because the dogs would put their lives at risk to keep my kids safe.

With such close ties to animals in so many ways, it's incomprehensible to me that such a horrible act could happen.

Dogs have been domesticated for that purpose. Otherwise, they'd still be wolves preying on humans. In that respect, they've been co-opted to fufill a specific purpose as dictated by human masters. They serve a different purpose than livestock, but aren't any the less domesticated. Yes, it's exploitation. Bad? I dunno. Guess it depends on your perspective.

Whatever attrocities committed by the food processessing industry, is of course bad, but shouldn't be pinned on people trying to earn a honest living.

[MattyK]

Originally Posted by Sowa

not cranky at all, what animal product do I have in my house? just name one...

Glue? Or is all your furniture and decor glue-free? Down quilts? Hair gel? Silk clothing?

Lots of products don't contain animal products, but use such products in manufacturing. Many popular brands of sugar, for instance, use bone charcoal in a filtering process.

Heck, if you want to get really picky...the computer you're using was most likely made by non-vegans. You support the company by purchasing it, you support their meat-eating employees.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by MattyK

Glue? Or is all your furniture and decor glue-free? Down quilts? Hair gel? Silk clothing?

Lots of products don't contain animal products, but use such products in manufacturing. Many popular brands of sugar, for instance, use bone charcoal in a filtering process.

Heck, if you want to get really picky...the computer you're using was most likely made by non-vegans. You support the company by purchasing it, you support their meat-eating employees.

I am aware of all those things, I only buy raw sugar which taste better anyways. Modern wood glues are mostly animal free there are some that aren't. I don't have any wooden furniture that is glued together. Trust me you guys aren't going to think of something I haven't. You might of thought about this for a few hours maybe I've been doing this for 10 years with tons of research... There is one thing that I have that might not be vegan that I know of, car tires use stearic acid to soften the rubber. Stearic Acid comes from animals and soybeans both are probably used.

The really picky part is just stupid, that's like saying if you ever bought something from a a company that employed a guy who ended up being a murderer than you supported a murderer...

[burn_baby_burn]

I have nothing against Vegans or a Vegan life style. I'm all for living in a free culture and society. But someone mentioned that the world would be a better place if everyone was a Vegan. Allthough the dream of that would be nice for some. How do you feed 4 billion people that way? Even with factory farming, a large part of the worlds population goes hungry.

[fokakya]

Good on you Sowa for defending your views, living a full vegan lifestyle yet not preaching to anyone that this is how everyone should live or that your choice is the only correct and moral choice of lifestyle.
Though I am not a vegan nor a vegetarian, I wholly understand the perspective that you are doing your part to help make a better world. I work in the social services field. I guess that helps me feel more comfortable with doing things like consuming animals because I do do my part for the betterment of society.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

I have nothing against Vegans or a Vegan life style. I'm all for living in a free culture and society. But someone mentioned that the world would be a better place if everyone was a Vegan. Allthough the dream of that would be nice for some. How do you feed 4 billion people that way? Even with factory farming, a large part of the worlds population goes hungry.

Some say the amount of grain that would be left from discontinuing factory farming breeding practices would be sufficient to feed the world. I don't know, I've read both sides of the debate I don't know which one is factual regarding to feeding. The answer probably it would maintain the status quo in regards to the amount of starving people...

[OutOfTheCube]

Yeah it's gross, but aren't you going a little bit over the top if you say you'd want to put that person in a wheelchair, or bring the death penalty back for them? I mean, it IS just a dog.