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WCE · 11-19-2006, 12:41 PM

Personally, I think that giving Sanchez a shot after beating Riggs is pretty much akin to throwing him to a lion; in the sense that while he did beat Karo, he hasn't fought any of the top 3 guys in the weight class yet.

St Pierre, Penn and Hughes are a significant step up from anyone else he has had to fight. Karo is close, but I have my doubts since he came back from his injury. He lost a lot of momentum.

I think Sanchez needs another fight against a guy like Penn otherwise he will be walking into a different world against GSP.

I am not saying that you are wrong MMF, because things may very well play out the way you see them.

Then again, I don't much like Sanchez, so if he wants to take a shot before he is ready, then by all means.

Inferno · 11-19-2006, 12:44 PM

I dont watch alot of UFC but St. Pierre's always been my favorite fighter. I thought about ordering the PPV last night but by the time I got home it had already started and I was in a pretty ****ty mood after seeing our Junior team blow a 3-0 third period lead so I decided not to.

MrMastodonFarm · 11-19-2006, 12:51 PM

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Personally, I think that giving Sanchez a shot after beating Riggs is pretty much akin to throwing him to a lion; in the sense that while he did beat Karo, he hasn't fought any of the top 3 guys in the weight class yet..

Fair enough, but Sanchez turns 26 soon, he is actually older then GSP, so I think it would be a fantastic match up. If he loses then he learns from it and climbs his way back up the ladder like GSP just did. It would be one hell of an exciting fight and Sanchez has alot of momentum right now, and even more so after he beats Riggs.

MrMastodonFarm · 11-19-2006, 02:10 PM

WCE · 11-19-2006, 02:43 PM

Thinking about it now MMF, St. Pierre is slated to fight Serra (never liked him) in Montreal probably at UFC 68.

By the time that that goes down and St. Pierre is ready to fight again we will be into the summer.

If Sanchez was to go from Riggs to a title shot (which still sounds fishy in my mind...Riggs is middle-rung stepping stone, not one that should get you into a title fight), he would have to wait probably 9 months before he could take on GSP.

That seems like a really long time to go without a fight. Especially with all the other talent you mentioned fighting in the mean time and jockeying for position.

Sanchez vs Penn is a fight that a lot of people in the UFC want to see, and I think there is a good chance that we will. I see what you are saying about eliminating possible contenders, but I just don't see who else Sanchez would fight, and I don't see him taking 9 months off.

MrMastodonFarm · 11-19-2006, 02:48 PM

No, I see your point, but overall I think Sanchez should get a title shot now.. but you can't stay inactive so he takes a fight vs a lesser opponent in Riggs.

If GSP stays healthy vs Serra what's to say it isn't another two months before he is in the octagon once again?

We both have good points and neither is wrong. Besides, it's so hard to look into the future and do this, if Riggs somehow wins, what a big monkey wrench that is, and if someone is out for en extended period of time due to injury as well.

WCE · 11-19-2006, 02:54 PM

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No, I see your point, but overall I think Sanchez should get a title shot now.. but you can't stay inactive so he takes a fight vs a lesser opponent in Riggs.

If GSP stays healthy vs Serra what's to say it isn't another two months before he is in the octagon once again?

We both have good points and neither is wrong. Besides, it's so hard to look into the future and do this, if Riggs somehow wins, what a big monkey wrench that is, and if someone is out for en extended period of time due to injury as well.

Agreed on all front.

What are your thoughts on Vera? Quite impressive. With the shape Mir was coming into the fight with I would not have bet that Vera would have torn through him that quickly.

A lot of potential there. Most likely there will be another belt changing hands in a few months.

MrMastodonFarm · 11-19-2006, 04:36 PM

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What are your thoughts on Vera? Quite impressive. With the shape Mir was coming into the fight with I would not have bet that Vera would have torn through him that quickly..

Vera is amazingly impressive. His credentials coming into the UFC were amazing and he is proving why he had all that hype. I don't think there is anyway he walks away from a bout with Tim Sylvia without the UFC Heavyweight belt around his waist.

He is just so talented, and he has the heart and will to use that talent. I think he is going to dominate his opponents the way a certain Russian does in Pride. You never want to compare a fighter to Fedor, but I think Vera is going to be huge in MMA.

Btw, I would love to see Barnett back in the UFC.. seeing him in Monson's corner just made me think.. go get your belt back.. this time without the roids.

AFireInside · 11-19-2006, 08:36 PM

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Vera is amazingly impressive. His credentials coming into the UFC were amazing and he is proving why he had all that hype. I don't think there is anyway he walks away from a bout with Tim Sylvia without the UFC Heavyweight belt around his waist.

He is just so talented, and he has the heart and will to use that talent. I think he is going to dominate his opponents the way a certain Russian does in Pride. You never want to compare a fighter to Fedor, but I think Vera is going to be huge in MMA.

Btw, I would love to see Barnett back in the UFC.. seeing him in Monson's corner just made me think.. go get your belt back.. this time without the roids.

As much as I hate Vera, he has been impressive, although I figured he would dominate mir last night, Mir is done... The UFC reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallly needs to step up its H.W. division it is terrible. The fact that Sylvia could not, and did not try to knock out or even finish Monson last night is sad.. He had an 11 inch reach advantage, and he never pushed the action once.. Disgusting.. The UFC should start taking a percentage of the fighters purse for no action....

Vera will beat Sylvia, although I think the UFC has others who can beat Sylvia, right now I think Kongo could beat Sylvia. He's not a good fighter and it is reflected in how much ufc fans dislike him...

As for Sanchez, I think he earned a title shot after beating Karo as well. Karo was up for the title, got hurt, came back and fought sanchez. If karo wins that fight, he's next in line. However, that division is so stacked, that he has to wait for the other contenders... Personally I think Sanchez should have to fight Penn or Hughes first.... Regardless, I don't think Sanches beats any of the top 3. Actually I think that if Karo comes into their fight in shape, he would have beaten sanchez quite easily. He was rusty and out of shape and it showed.. Karo is now training with Tito, so you can be sure that he will be in shape next time he fights. Actually I think that Karo might give GSP a rough time with all his judo.

Also Barnett would OWN absolutely OWN the whole UFC division, and I would love to see him back in the UFC.

Lurch · 11-20-2006, 07:41 AM

Just a note - unless I misheard it during the PPV, Penn is moving down to 155 and will absolutely own that division, IMO.

Bring_Back_Shantz · 11-20-2006, 09:16 AM

A couple things.

1) Lurch, I think you're right, Penn is moving down to 155, and is gonna dominate that for a while

2) If anyone missed the Hughes vs. GSP fight, it is up on Youtube right now.

3) As for who fights GSP after Serra (assuming GSP wins....

), it's a bit of a tough call, but Sanches is probalby on his way there. He's a bit of a tool, but I think Dana White would like to see someone from TUF get a title shot to prove that it isn't just a bunch of Schleps on that show. I think there is a preception that a lot of those guys got a free shot at the UFC, and it would be nice if they did well. What I think would be best, would be to have Sanchez fight Hughes at about the same time GSP fights Serra, and the winner of that gets a shot at GSP (read, hughes gets a rematch)

AFireInside · 11-20-2006, 10:44 AM

According to an mma radio show I listened to yesterday, Penn will not be moving down to 155. This rumour has been circulating since the LW division was re-instated, and Penn was resigned. To be honest as good as Penn is, he will go nowhere unless he starts training like he should. His family is very wealthy, and he does not like to train very hard because obviously its not about the money.. I remember hearing that in preparation for the Hughes fight, he trained every other day.. If thats how you are going to train, you will go nowhere fast..

I would like to see Penn go down to 155, I don't know if he would own it, as I do like Sherk's chances, but there would be some great matchups!

HitterD · 11-20-2006, 02:02 PM

Well... Big win for GSP. I'm very happy.

I'm also very curious to see what happens with this Montreal event.

I think I'd like to see another Canada Vs. USA event.

Perhaps including David Loiseau and Patrick Cote in the event?

Then again, this wouldn't really work if rumors are true that the UFA is planning to so both TUF4 title matches in the same PPV.

MrMastodonFarm · 11-20-2006, 02:14 PM

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Perhaps including David Loiseau and Patrick Cote in the event?.

Unfortunatly David Loiseau has been released from his UFC contract. Who knows though, the Montreal show won't be for a little while. The Febuary show is in Vegas, and the March PPV in Ohio, so it's definitly down the road. I'm sure the UFC would want a guy like Loiseau on that card, ditto for Cote. I think both are going to need a win outside the UFC in order to get back though. Maybe he takes a fight in the IFL, which would be a good move. Canadian and former UFC welterweight champ Carlos Newton has team so I could see Loiseau taking a fight there first. I don't think it will be long before he is back, he seemed friendly with Dana White while in the octagon celebrating with GSP.

I wouldn't be interested in a Canada vs USA ppv again.. I don't care where Rob McDonald is from, I'm not cheering for him, but I'd imagine they will load up on the Canadian fighters. GSP, Cote, Loiseau, Jeff Joslin, Jason McDonald, Kalib Starns etc.

re:BJ Penn... Mike Goldberg was saying he was moving down to 115, but I think that isn't true. I think BJ is going to stay at 170, he said something on his website about it but I can't be bothered to look.

HitterD · 11-20-2006, 03:58 PM

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Unfortunatly David Loiseau has been released from his UFC contract.

http://www.mmanews.com/ufc/David-Loi...eal--More.html

Looks like you're right, MMF. Too bad, he was so dominant before he met Franklin.

I see your point about the Canada vs USA, but I still like it. It's not that I really care about whare a fighter is from (I cheer against Rob McDonald), but I always find it interesting to see how good Canada's MMA programs are, particularly Quebec. The Canada vs USA are a fun way to see this.

In any event, I'm looking forward to UFC 66. My Heart says Tito, my Brain say Chuck.

WCE · 11-20-2006, 04:25 PM

From the sounds of this article, we might see GSP vs Hughes III in Montreal:

http://www.globesports.com/servlet/s...ortsOther/home

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While St. Pierre's first title defence will be Feb. 3 — the day before the Super Bowl — against Matt Serra in Las Vegas, a rematch with Hughes will likely follow in Montreal.

"I'm in," White said of Hughes-St. Pierre 3 in Montreal.

As for Penn, the most recent article I read about him had him quoted as saying that he has 2 or 3 more fights left on his current UFC contract, and he plans on becoming the welterweight champion before it expires.

MrMastodonFarm · 11-21-2006, 01:46 PM

Fedor vs Hunt for the Pride Heavyweight title at Pride Shockwave 2006.

It's always a treat to watch Fedor fight.. but yawn.. how predictible is this. I guess Hunt will last longer then Zulu, maybe.

btw - any mod reading this, could it be okay to change the title to "Any MMA fans.." instead of UFC fans.

MrMastodonFarm · 11-21-2006, 01:48 PM

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As for Penn, the most recent article I read about him had him quoted as saying that he has 2 or 3 more fights left on his current UFC contract, and he plans on becoming the welterweight champion before it expires.

I wonder how long he is out with the injury he sustained in the Hughes fight in September. He's probably going to have to win all three of those before he gets another title shot.

MrMastodonFarm · 11-21-2006, 01:50 PM

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http://www.mmanews.com/ufc/David-Loi...eal--More.html

Looks like you're right, MMF. Too bad, he was so dominant before he met Franklin.

I think/hope he'll be back soon. Louiseau is a young guy, only 26 I think, so he should return. It's ridiculous that the UFC released him, but he didn't show up until the third round vs Mike Swick.. he could have won that fight easily.. but looked hestiant. Hopefully he fights agian soon in a smaller organization and he is brought back for the Montreal PPV.

Hanna Sniper · 11-21-2006, 02:09 PM

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Fedor vs Hunt for the Pride Heavyweight title at Pride Shockwave 2006.

It's always a treat to watch Fedor fight.. but yawn.. how predictible is this. I guess Hunt will last longer then Zulu, maybe.

Too bad because the Cro -Cop match would have been the fight of the year, but also rememeber although it may be as you put it a yawn, but Hunt would walk through the heavyweight division in the UFC. Not much Pride can do, not many men are willing to fight Fedor and I for one am glad to hear that Shogun isn't stepping up to face him. It would have been exciting to see the two best fighters in the world face off against eachother, but like I, said I'm glad it isn't happening as I would rather see Shogun stick to his weightclass (Still don't understand why Pride was forcing him to move up when he signed on again after the 2005 Grand Prix Championship).