Were airplanes really in imminent danger last week?

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I think the problem is that we spend way too much time, money and resources worrying about terrorism.

Even in 2001, Terrorism deaths only matched about 1 month of car crash deaths. Terrorism is not even in the top 10 of un-natural death causes. Essentially every month is a september 11th on the highways, and no one seems very scared or worried.

Wouldn't all the money and time put into terrorism fighting and prevention be better applied to increases in auto safety where a substantial amount of lives could be saved.

If the government and media didn't focus so much attention on terrorisms, perhaps we could have elected a government that actually cared about real issues that actually effect people's every day lives.

Totally agree...unfortunately, many people get so worked up about it they fail to put things into perspective.

I remember some "on the street" interviews after Bush won his second term from New Yorkers who bitterly complained that people from South Dakota or Kansas were determining who was "stronger on Terrorism"...when they never actually experienced it or knew people who died in the incidents.

Again, this is why I thought the "power of nightmares" documentary was so compelling (V for Vendetta alludes to this Orwellian scenario too)...fear is used by both sides to maintain power and control...

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

...fear is used by both sides to maintain power and control...

###. Now, just wait for the dittoheads to tell you how afraid you REALLY should be!

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by kermitology

As far as I'm concerned, I have as much chance of being affected by terrorism on an airplane as I do being affected by a crash not caused by terrorism. I don't want to have to change my life because some people are trying to scare me.

So true. But that is why they call it Terorism. They are trying to scare you and everyone. Fear is such a big motivator. You are doing what companies and governments need you and everyone to do. Unfortunately, not everyone is like that.

[badnarik]

is anybody really scared?

[icarus]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Maybe now the next time we take a flight we can buy a bottle of orange juice after we get through security.

Orange Julius Guy was detained after he was spotted carrying a cup with a delicious liquid in it through a departure gate. Upon questioning he was found to have limitless information of interest to the authorities.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

###. Now, just wait for the dittoheads to tell you how afraid you REALLY should be!

Your style never changes, does it?

Dittoheads? So anyone that disagrees with you on anything is some kind of a mindless drone? You'll forgive me if I beg to differ.

I think people at the government level were and are afraid and always on guard. Some of the backlash from 911 was greater information on threats and that's what they've been forced to do.

You'd think catching these guys would afford the intelligence and leadership group of these three countries to take some sort of bow, but not no this site ... people just alter their attack strategy and keep on tossing darts.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Your style never changes, does it?

Dittoheads? So anyone that disagrees with you on anything is some kind of a mindless drone? You'll forgive me if I beg to differ.

I think people at the government level were and are afraid and always on guard. Some of the backlash from 911 was greater information on threats and that's what they've been forced to do.

You'd think catching these guys would afford the intelligence and leadership group of these three countries to take some sort of bow, but not no this site ... people just alter their attack strategy and keep on tossing darts.

Thanks for classifying yourself Bingo. I wasn't really thinking of you as a dittohead (I still think of you as Swiss with a twisted fixation on O'Reilly), I was thinking more along the lines of HOZ, White Doors, Azure and Jolinar, the usual guys that jump in there and defend the "government" no matter what comes to the surface to nail them. But if you want in, feel free to jump on the dittohead express.

[FurnaceFace]

An interesting read on this topic: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08...t_terror_labs/

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by FurnaceFace

An interesting read on this topic: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08...t_terror_labs/

LOL, I saw that article last week and was thinking, "If only CP wasn't down".


Kybosh is a chemist, perhaps he could comment on the article.

[FurnaceFace]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

I saw that article last week and was thinking, "If only CP wasn't down".

I had the exact same thought. And I'd also be curious to get someone's take on the chemicals. Greene is usually pretty accurate in his articles but at times he can get a little out there.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Thanks for classifying yourself Bingo. I wasn't really thinking of you as a dittohead (I still think of you as Swiss with a twisted fixation on O'Reilly), I was thinking more along the lines of HOZ, White Doors, Azure and Jolinar, the usual guys that jump in there and defend the "government" no matter what comes to the surface to nail them. But if you want in, feel free to jump on the dittohead express.

Actually whether you or I put me in that category changes nothing ... it's not a healthy attitude to just assume everyone that agrees with you is mindless apologist.

You put yourself on the extreme in almost every argument and you always have, so I'm sure people that disagree seem like a dot on the horizon to you.

A terrorist plot was foiled ... you can jump up and down about scare tactics etc all you want, but if 4000 people lost their lives last night there likely would have been a few people on this site that would have been directly affected.

They likely would have seen more than a scare level to keep people in line.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Actually whether you or I put me in that category changes nothing ... it's not a healthy attitude to just assume everyone that agrees with you is mindless apologist.

You put yourself on the extreme in almost every argument and you always have, so I'm sure people that disagree seem like a dot on the horizon to you.

A terrorist plot was foiled ... you can jump up and down about scare tactics etc all you want, but if 4000 people lost their lives last night there likely would have been a few people on this site that would have been directly affected.

They likely would have seen more than a scare level to keep people in line.

And if there was a huge earthquake in vancouver, I'm sure more people would be directly affected. Just because you're told something could have happened (4000 people? give me a break), you completely disregard any information to the contrary?

I don't know what I expect from someone who pays attention to 60% of what bill o'reilly says, but I did expect a bit more.

[White Doors]

I'm more of a libertarian than anything, so I am no government apologist at all. Hey, when 'we' win and they lose it's a reason to celebrate in my opinion. If you are sad that the terrorists didn't succeed, well that is your right. Just don't expect normal, well adjusted people to agree with you Lanny. You see a conspiracy under every rock. You should really get that checked.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

And if there was a huge earthquake in vancouver, I'm sure more people would be directly affected. Just because you're told something could have happened (4000 people? give me a break), you completely disregard any information to the contrary?

I don't know what I expect from someone who pays attention to 60% of what bill o'reilly says, but I did expect a bit more.

Having you disagree with me is an honour, I'm sure bingo feels the same way.

[Flash Walken]

do you intend on adding anything to these threads, or should I continue to glaze over your posts when I see your username?

[White Doors]

And just what was it you added besides joining the pile on?
No need to call you names, you spell out to everyone here what you are everytime you log on.

Keep going!

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

And if there was a huge earthquake in vancouver, I'm sure more people would be directly affected. Just because you're told something could have happened (4000 people? give me a break), you completely disregard any information to the contrary?

I don't know what I expect from someone who pays attention to 60% of what bill o'reilly says, but I did expect a bit more.

Do you honestly think it makes you look more right or educated by consistently taking these things into the mud? We could put it to a vote, but I would think the average guy reading this string would actually deduct points for poor behaviour. Seriously ... it just doesn't add ... let it go.

4000 people ... 10 flights, assuming they are larger planes and at capacity that's not a bad number. Either way it's not my number it's a number I've seen many times in the past two weeks though.

So any person that pays attention to some of what O'Reilly says is deemed not good enough to grab your ear?

The guy has the number one rated cable news show on the air, you might be eliminating a lot of future conversation!

Not sure how an earth quake has anything to do with this discussion, though I'm sure you'd blame that on Bush too if it happened, bottom line a plot was uncovered, arrests were made, and information gleemed before any one got hurt.

In my non politically jaded world that's good news. I guess we all judge "good" differently.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I think the problem is that we spend way too much time, money and resources worrying about terrorism.

Even in 2001, Terrorism deaths only matched about 1 month of car crash deaths. Terrorism is not even in the top 10 of un-natural death causes. Essentially every month is a september 11th on the highways, and no one seems very scared or worried.

Exactly.

And 25,000 die a day due to contaminated water. 20 million children are mentally impaired because of malnutrition each year. We're losing an area of farmland the size of Scotland every year to erosion and urban sprawl. Global warming is a trend that we can no longer ignore.

Terrorism is a nice way of distracting us from the much bigger and more important problems. What's a few thousand when we're doing our best to wipe hundreds of millions off the earth in the next hundred years?

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Exactly.

And 25,000 die a day due to contaminated water. 20 million children and mentally impaired because of malnutrition. We're losing an area of farmland the size of Scotland every year to erosion and urban sprawl.

Terrorism is a nice way of distracting us from the much bigger and more important problems.

Hmmm, I'll be sure to remember this if they ever manage to crash a plane into the pickering nuclear plants. What a bunch of people on this site sometimes!! Can we have an IQ requirement to join or something?
Maybe we should stop investigating murders because there are alot of car accidents on the highways! That's the ticket! More traffic cops, less detectives I say!

In WW2 we should have been dropping grain over Nigeria instead of bombs on Dresden. Alot of hope for our future leaders on this site...

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by White Doors

Hmmm, I'll be sure to remember this if they ever manage to crash a plane into the pickering nuclear plants. What a bunch of people on this site sometimes!! Can we have an IQ requirement to join or something?
Maybe we should stop investigating murders because there are alot of car accidents on the highways! That's the ticket! More traffic cops, less detectives I say!

In WW2 we should have been dropping grain over Nigeria instead of bombs on Dresden. Alot of hope for our future leaders on this site...

Stop trolling. You try misleading by questioning the poster's IQ, then coming up with a couple irrelevant comparisons, and finally rest of your remarks are just disparaging.

How about just pointing out that everything listed are issues, but not related to the terrorism issue at hand? Sure terrorism is distracting people from other, perhaps more pressing issues, but terrorism scares people and pointing out other problems does nothing to lessen the fear.