Chilling 911 call on 9-11

[underGRADFlame]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

How can you be sure the tower actually collapsed when he said "Oh God", since you already know the video isn't real.

Well you can't unless you match up time codes from both audio and video. That being said its beyond the point and the effect of the audio is astounding alone, and if this was used in court, there is no doubt in my mind that the time code was in sync.

[Flashpoint]

I see it no differently than when the History Channel starts doing "Biographies of the Roman Emperors", and while talking about Nero they show a bust of Augustus.

It is either an oversight, an attempt to mislead, or creative liscence.

In any case, it damages their credibility.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

I see it no differently than when the History Channel starts doing "Biographies of the Roman Emperors", and while talking about Nero they show a bust of Augustus.

It is either an oversight, an attempt to mislead, or creative liscence.

In any case, it damages their credibility.

OK but you have no proof its not legit. So why bring it up?

[underGRADFlame]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

I see it no differently than when the History Channel starts doing "Biographies of the Roman Emperors", and while talking about Nero they show a bust of Augustus.

It is either an oversight, an attempt to mislead, or creative liscence.

In any case, it damages their credibility.

But as much as I can't prove that the time code matches, you can't disprove that it doesn't.
Either way this is just a small meaningless matter, the fact is Kevin Cosgrove died that day along with thousands others and this is just a reminder of that horrible day.

[Flashpoint]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

OK but you have no proof its not legit. So why bring it up?

Are you saying there is no proof the video isn't legit? Look at the warping boat in the bottom right.

As far as the audio goes, you are correct. There is nothing to indicate it isn't accurate. Except that it is paired with a clearly faked video. Which (for me) throws it into doubt.

Look, I am not saying the audio is made up, or fake, or even that it was edited. It is a horrible record of a horrible day.

It just seems wrong to me that someone decided to slap on a half assed video that is so obviously BS, and present it as though it is a "real" recording of the events. It seems disrespectful to the victim's final moments to distract the viewer with a fake video.

Especially if the video is so clearly false, as to potentially raise suspicions about the audio as well - even if it is just amongst the "paranoid" such as myself.

I mean if you are an individual willing to loop a tape, then throw in some other visual cuts, might you also be willing to provide a dramatic conclusion by cutting the audio to say "oh God" right as the building collapses?

I think you might.

Then again, maybe not.

Shrug.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by undergradflame

But as much as I can't prove that the time code matches, you can't disprove that it doesn't.
Either way this is just a small meaningless matter, the fact is Kevin Cosgrove died that day along with thousands others and this is just a reminder of that horrible day.

exactly! some people need to get over themselves.

what's that sound when you miss the point?

Whooosh!!! flashpoint, Whoooosh!

[Flashpoint]

Originally Posted by White Doors

exactly! some people need to get over themselves.

what's that sound when you miss the point?

Whooosh!!! flashpoint, Whoooosh!

You are so right. One of us is clearly missing the point.

[White Doors]

There ya go.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

Are you saying there is no proof the video isn't legit? Look at the warping boat in the bottom right.

As far as the audio goes, you are correct. There is nothing to indicate it isn't accurate. Except that it is paired with a clearly faked video. Which (for me) throws it into doubt.

Look, I am not saying the audio is made up, or fake, or even that it was edited. It is a horrible record of a horrible day.

It just seems wrong to me that someone decided to slap on a half assed video that is so obviously BS, and present it as though it is a "real" recording of the events. It seems disrespectful to the victim's final moments to distract the viewer with a fake video.

Especially if the video is so clearly false, as to potentially raise suspicions about the audio as well - even if it is just amongst the "paranoid" such as myself.

I mean if you are an individual willing to loop a tape, then throw in some other visual cuts, might you also be willing to provide a dramatic conclusion by cutting the audio to say "oh God" right as the building collapses?

I think you might.

Then again, maybe not.

Shrug.

I'm not a video expert so I don't know what a warping boat is.

I just don't see the point of bringing up this debate. Who cares? In the context of this topic does it really matter?

It just seems like a really odd thing to get your knickers in a knot over in the grand scheme of things.

[Flashpoint]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I'm not a video expert so I don't know what a warping boat is.

It is the little white boat in the bottom right of the screen moving from left to right that suddenly disappears and reappears back where it started every 2 seconds or so, because the tape is on a loop.

[Nehkara]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

Are you saying there is no proof the video isn't legit? Look at the warping boat in the bottom right.

As far as the audio goes, you are correct. There is nothing to indicate it isn't accurate. Except that it is paired with a clearly faked video. Which (for me) throws it into doubt.

Look, I am not saying the audio is made up, or fake, or even that it was edited. It is a horrible record of a horrible day.

It just seems wrong to me that someone decided to slap on a half assed video that is so obviously BS, and present it as though it is a "real" recording of the events. It seems disrespectful to the victim's final moments to distract the viewer with a fake video.

Especially if the video is so clearly false, as to potentially raise suspicions about the audio as well - even if it is just amongst the "paranoid" such as myself.

I mean if you are an individual willing to loop a tape, then throw in some other visual cuts, might you also be willing to provide a dramatic conclusion by cutting the audio to say "oh God" right as the building collapses?

I think you might.

Then again, maybe not.

Shrug.

Of course the video isn't "real" in the purest sense. When you make a call to 911 does a guy on Nosehill start filming your house to see if it collapses? Not so much.

It is mentioned in many places that he made a 911 call before his death along with calls to his brother, wife, etc.

I believe this is the 911 call, with someone taking a pre-existing video of tower 2 and matching it to the audio recording in order to provide a visual accompaniment. It takes nothing away from the credibility of the 911 call itself.

[cheung31]

God damnit Flashpoint.

Why do you alledge that they're using this "half assed video" and presenting it as though it is a "real" recording of the events?

Have you ever considered what it would be like had it just been a black screen with the transcript? Would it have made the effect it would have without showing the Tower collapse?

Why don't you go find footage for 5mins straight or however long the call was, so that it could perfectly sync with the entire call. Go find 5mins of footage available for the public so he can use it. You're not going to. He just found a clip that he could loop as a filler, so he could give you visuals to show that tragic moment at the end.

You're the disrepsectful one for asking these ridiculous questions, when you HAVE missed the point of the video, and go on to look for these minute details and making your ridiculous assumptions.

[Flashpoint]

Originally Posted by cheung31

God damnit Flashpoint.

Why do you alledge that they're using this "half assed video" and presenting it as though it is a "real" recording of the events?

Have you ever considered what it would be like had it just been a black screen with the transcript? Would it have made the effect it would have without showing the Tower collapse?

You're the disrepsectful one for asking these ridiculous questions, when you HAVE missed the point of the video, and go on to look for these minute details and making your ridiculous assumptions.

Funny thing is that I was trying to not watch the video while listening to the call (which is why I noticed the boat btw). I don't like seeing those towers come down. I watched it too many times on 9/11. Listening to the audio affected me a great deal - and left me very shaken.

Bottom line? I don't see how the event needs any embellishment.

I am asking questions because I want to understand what would posess someone to take a recording of a dying man's last words in a horrible tragedy and match them up with a home made video - to what end? More impact? If the audio isn't enough for you, then I am sorry that a few frames of the collapse is what puts it over the top.

[FlamesAddiction]

Here is another video with a slightly different perspective when the building collapses. It's more powerful I think...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ugwtPkMH2U

And you can definitely hear the building starting to collapse when the phone call ends.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

Bottom line? I don't see how the event needs any embellishment.

The guy died in a collapsing tower. The video clearly shows said collapsing tower. What is being embellished?

[Azure]

Wow.

I have no words.

[Language]

Just gutwrenching to listen to, and really brings the horror from that day back to me. Hopefully his kids never have to hear that.

[Red Mile Style]

Ground Zero is the most chilling place I've ever been.

It is quite motivating and uplifting, however, to notice how the people of New York have bounced back from it. It was devestating, but I think it is a real testament to New York on how well they have been able to go on with their lives. That's the one positive I take away from the whole experience. After seeing the WTC, I felt like crap, but riding the subway home and seeing all the people of New York continuing on with their lives really gave me hope.

But, no matter how many times I see it, or hear it, it still makes me sick.