"Toronto Terror Plot Foiled" CNN News

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

White Doors' life must be simple. Just blame any and all liberals, regardless of validity or accuracy.

You guys should follow my lead and put this moron on ignore. He has zero idea what he's talking about. Left is right and right is left and what ever other crap he wants to toss out there. He's intellectually incapable of articulating a position with an semblance of clarity. What ever garbage can be dug up from extreme right wing web site is gospel to him, no matter how little sense it makes. The beauty of not seeing his rants is a godsend. Don't make him go away mad, just make him go away.

[tripin_billie]

wow, this thread sort of derailed right after my first post in it. sorry.

[nuckles]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

You guys should follow my lead and put this moron on ignore. He has zero idea what he's talking about. Left is right and right is left and what ever other crap he wants to toss out there. He's intellectually incapable of articulating a position with an semblance of clarity. What ever garbage can be dug up from extreme right wing web site is gospel to him, no matter how little sense it makes. The beauty of not seeing his rants is a godsend. Don't make him go away mad, just make him go away.

I hear ya buddy

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

White Doors' life must be simple. Just blame any and all liberals, regardless of validity or accuracy.

Same thing happens with the other side. Anything negative must be the "neocon" plot to destroy the world!

How about people just admit that they like to label people that disagree with their thoughts?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by White Doors

No way I'm clicking that link.

They are left wing with the Iraq war.

Being for or against a war is not a spectrum issue. Many conservatives are or were against the war, and many liberals were for it.

Of course, a self-declared expert of geopolitics would know that...

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by White Doors

No way I'm clicking that link.

They are left wing with the Iraq war.

Hey White Doors, not that left, the other left.

[nuckles]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Same thing happens with the other side. Anything negative must be the "neocon" plot to destroy the world!

How about people just admit that they like to label people that disagree with their thoughts?

That's not what we are arguing about

[Clarkey]

This thread really shouldn't have anything to do with myopic left vs. right political niggling.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I agree. And, if they became Canadian Citizens, their citizenship should be revoked. Not much we can do about the people that were born here. Just put them in jail.

I think it's a bit silly to start talking about deporting second-generation Canadians. If we start deporting people and revoking Canadian citizenship, then aren't we just capitulating to the terrorists' attack on "our freedoms"? According to Harper, the reason we're a target is because on an ideological level, they hate our free society with its jurisprudence and due process.

If that's so, then those are the principles we should defend. Including giving a fair trial to these terrorists, and punishing them in the manner that is permitted by the law. Otherwise, the terrorists win.

[White Doors]

Ok, Well obviously I got them mixed up with another fringe religious group.
Anyone else like to jump in here and get their shots in? My goodness.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

I think it's a bit silly to start talking about deporting second-generation Canadians. If we start deporting people and revoking Canadian citizenship, then aren't we just capitulating to the terrorists' attack on "our freedoms"? According to Harper, the reason we're a target is because on an ideological level, they hate our free society with its jurisprudence and due process.

If that's so, then those are the principles we should defend. Including giving a fair trial to these terrorists, and punishing them in the manner that is permitted by the law. Otherwise, the terrorists win.

Agreed. We should look at our education system however too. Young people are not learning enough about Canadian history and how we had to sacrifice to get where we are at today - as a society.

[CaptainCrunch]

I guess I have a lot of problems with this, and the process of law thats going to follow.

There's an old theory that terrorism is grown in a vat of hatred and seeded with a lack of education. The lack of education makes it easy to twist ones perception.

Every one of these people was well educated and the majority were second generation Canadians, its obvious to me that someone got a hold of them and taught them a BS string of logic and ideology.

What can we do with them, obviously they are due a fair trial, but no matter what the result we as Canadian's are going to be losers. If they get off, radical fringe groups are going to point out the fact that Canadian's are soft on crime and too sensitive to the Islamic community. If they are guilty, and punished for it, the muslim community is going to buck and declare a witch hunt.

We don't have true life sentences in this country or a death penalty, we can't deport these people because they are Canadian's to some extent.

I think there is going to have to be a whole new definition of punishments here, there has to be consecutive sentences for terrorist based crimes, basically sentence them to 240 years in prison and let them rot.

I do think that until we figure out a better immigration screening system we have to shut down immigration and refugee claims from suspect regions, and we have to solidify our borders, its a sad fact but true.

Its time that moderate Muslims take back thier religion, and demand better from it, they have a choice, they can rail against the system and deny that there is an inherant problem with the perception of thier religion and blame the Canadian government and its people, or they can start cleaning it up and policing it themselves.

I fear that there are going to be incidents in this country, and because we haven't been vigilant and we've been tripping over ourselves to be politically correct, we're going to pay the price innocent blood.

Just my 2 cents.

[Staypuft]

To speak to the original point of the thread...this scares me more than a little bit.
These guys had 3 times the amount of explosives used in the Oklahoma City Bombing, and their targets included the CN Tower and head government offices....more than a little disconcerting.

Regardless, kudos to the police who were able to figure this all out, now let's just hope there's not another group(s) of people with the same intentions floating around.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

I think it's a bit silly to start talking about deporting second-generation Canadians. If we start deporting people and revoking Canadian citizenship, then aren't we just capitulating to the terrorists' attack on "our freedoms"? According to Harper, the reason we're a target is because on an ideological level, they hate our free society with its jurisprudence and due process.

If that's so, then those are the principles we should defend. Including giving a fair trial to these terrorists, and punishing them in the manner that is permitted by the law. Otherwise, the terrorists win.

Look at my post Iowa. I said we wouldn't be able to deport second generation Canadians. If they are born here they have a right to remain in Canada. Those that immigrated here and obtained citizenship, IMO, should be able to revoke their citizenship for crimes against their country. Just like treason.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by White Doors

Agreed. We should look at our education system however too. Young people are not learning enough about Canadian history and how we had to sacrifice to get where we are at today - as a society.

No matter what you teach these people, once they are brainwashed by these radicals they think everything else is false. We should not be leting these radicals in in the first place.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

No matter what you teach these people, once they are brainwashed by these radicals they think everything else is false. We should not be leting these radicals in in the first place.

I'm not so sure that the problem is that we let radicals in. Many of these people are being indoctrinated from the outside - via the internet and other forms of media. It opens up a whole can of worms if we want to start regulating people's exposure to those things.

Maybe we should though... I don't know.

[White Doors]

I think that the 'west' as a whole has to do a better job of 'selling' our way of life to these people.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by White Doors

I think that the 'west' as a whole has to do a better job of 'selling' our way of life to these people.

They've lived here.

They've experienced our way of life.

How do you propose to sell our way of life to them? How better to know it than to live it?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by calculoso

They've lived here.

They've experienced our way of life.

How do you propose to sell our way of life to them? How better to know it than to live it?

Exactly.

For some damn reason, everyone wants to blame the West. Nothing we can do will save this nutjobs from trying to kill innocent civilians with terrorist attacks.

[HelloHockeyFans]

Originally Posted by calculoso

They've lived here.

They've experienced our way of life.

How do you propose to sell our way of life to them? How better to know it than to live it?

Which brings me back to my original question before this topic got derailed into yet another political battle between left and right...

Why are Canadian-born citizens -- who have lived here for the majority of their lives -- setting out and planning these well-thought out plans to attack their own country?

Do they feel closer to their bloodlines than the country they're from? If so, why?

Would this happen to other Canadians? Would Chinese-Canadians, or European-Canadians, or any other form, act in the same manner if the West and their respective country were involved in a conflict?