Polygamy recognized in Canada

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Okay so what are you trying to say here? That you have no problem with same-sex marriage but you don't like anyone to ask "what is wrong with it"?

Why do you care if I ask?

Whats your problem? Don't understand what I'm saying?

If you're going to legalize same-sex marriage, you do it from the basis of "equal rights." You "do not" legalize it based on the arguement, "what is wrong with it."

You have no idea how politics works. Why do you think the US recieves such a backlash to legalizing same-sex marriage?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Azure

Whats your problem? Don't understand what I'm saying?

If you're going to legalize same-sex marriage, you do it from the basis of "equal rights." You "do not" legalize it based on the arguement, "what is wrong with it."

You have no idea how politics works. Why do you think the US recieves such a backlash to legalizing same-sex marriage?

Come to think of it I don't understand what you are saying. Nor do I understand why you care if I ask what is wrong with it. I don't see the relevance of any backlash in the States or how my ignoring that means I "have no idea how politics works".

The debate about equal rights or whatever you want to drag into this is long over. It's legal. Adam and Steve are getting hitched. It's in the books.

My question is "what is wrong with it"? It's been a year now and nothing has changed so what is wrong with it? If you don't want to answer, don't have an answer or don't like the question then leave it alone.

[jolinar of malkshor]

I dont have a problem with it. I just feel sorry for the kids. How do you get any special time with Dad when he has 40 of them.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Come to think of it I don't understand what you are saying. Nor do I understand why you care if I ask what is wrong with it. I don't see the relevance of any backlash in the States or how my ignoring that means I "have no idea how politics works".

The debate about equal rights or whatever you want to drag into this is long over. It's legal. Adam and Steve are getting hitched. It's in the books.

My question is "what is wrong with it"? It's been a year now and nothing has changed so what is wrong with it? If you don't want to answer, don't have an answer or don't like the question then leave it alone.

That you for completely ignoring me post. It is over, but you're talking about something way different here. Nothing is "wrong" with Canada, "after" same-sex marriage has been legalized, but while they were on the process of legalizing it, something the US is dealing with right now, it is the wrong approach to say, "what is wrong with it" to try and convince people to support your viewpoint.

Again, what is "wrong" with marrying your dog? Having legalized sex with animals?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Azure

That you for completely ignoring me post. It is over, but you're talking about something way different here. Nothing is "wrong" with Canada, "after" same-sex marriage has been legalized, but while they were on the process of legalizing it, something the US is dealing with right now, it is the wrong approach to say, "what is wrong with it" to try and convince people to support your viewpoint.

Again, what is "wrong" with marrying your dog? Having legalized sex with animals?

It hurts the animal.

What's wrong with gay marriage?

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Azure

That you for completely ignoring me post. It is over, but you're talking about something way different here. Nothing is "wrong" with Canada, "after" same-sex marriage has been legalized, but while they were on the process of legalizing it, something the US is dealing with right now, it is the wrong approach to say, "what is wrong with it" to try and convince people to support your viewpoint.

Again, what is "wrong" with marrying your dog? Having legalized sex with animals?

When an animal can actually consent to sex or marriage, you might have a point, otherwise your argument even remotely comparing the two is completely bunk.

However, since a pet cannot consent to sex, it will never be allowed and should never be allowed. It is a form of abuse.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

It hurts the animal.

What's wrong with gay marriage?

Does it hurt to marry an animal?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Azure

That you for completely ignoring me post. It is over, but you're talking about something way different here. Nothing is "wrong" with Canada, "after" same-sex marriage has been legalized, but while they were on the process of legalizing it, something the US is dealing with right now, it is the wrong approach to say, "what is wrong with it" to try and convince people to support your viewpoint.

Again, what is "wrong" with marrying your dog? Having legalized sex with animals?

You see the bolded part? That's your answer to the question I was asking, so thanks for the answer. The rest of that paragraph has nothing to do with anything I said.

As for the "marry the dog" stuff, the first problem with marrying a dog is that it's, umm, a dog. You don't really want me to explain what is wrong with that, do you?

But I suppose if you can show me a dog with the intellectual wherewithal to convince me it knows what he/she is getting into and the ability to sign it's name on a marriage certificate then I won't object to the Human/Canine nuptials.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

When an animal can actually consent to sex or marriage, you might have a point, otherwise your argument even remotely comparing the two is completely bunk.

However, since a pet cannot consent to sex, it will never be allowed and should never be allowed. It is a form of abuse.

Point taken. But why can't a son marry his dad? Or likewise with a daughter?

You see, my definition of what is wrong will be very different from what your definition of wrong. There is no dictionary guidance to being right or wrong. Some people have a completely different set of morals then you, meaning to you gay marriage might be right, to others it is wrong. In a country where we value tolerance very highly, how tolerant is it to tell someone that their morals are screwed up?

Therefore to avoid that approach, you use the basis of "equal rights." A hell of a lot more people would accept same-sex marriage if that was the arguement used.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Azure

Does it hurt to marry an animal?

Marriage requires both parties to agree and animals can't do that, so its moot.

What's wrong with gay marriage?

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Azure

Point taken. But why can't a son marry his dad? Or likewise with a daughter?

You see, my definition of what is wrong will be very different from what your definition of wrong. There is no dictionary guidance to being right or wrong. Some people have a completely different set of morals then you, meaning to you gay marriage might be right, to others it is wrong. In a country where we value tolerance very highly, how tolerant is it to tell someone that their morals are screwed up?

Therefore to avoid that approach, you use the basis of "equal rights." A hell of a lot more people would accept same-sex marriage if that was the arguement used.

Do you believe that people can be "Born Gay"?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Azure

Point taken. But why can't a son marry his dad? Or likewise with a daughter?

You see, my definition of what is wrong will be very different from what your definition of wrong. There is no dictionary guidance to being right or wrong. Some people have a completely different set of morals then you, meaning to you gay marriage might be right, to others it is wrong. In a country where we value tolerance very highly, how tolerant is it to tell someone that their morals are screwed up?

Therefore to avoid that approach, you use the basis of "equal rights." A hell of a lot more people would accept same-sex marriage if that was the arguement used.

And a hell of a lot more people would understand the opposition to gay marriage if they could answer the simple question "what's wrong with gay marriage".

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

You see the bolded part? That's your answer to the question I was asking, so thanks for the answer. The rest of that paragraph has nothing to do with anything I said.

As for the "marry the dog" stuff, the first problem with marrying a dog is that it's, umm, a dog. You don't really want me to explain what is wrong with that, do you?

But I suppose if you can show me a dog with the intellectual wherewithal to convince me it knows what he/she is getting into and the ability to sign it's name on a marriage certificate then I won't object to the Human/Canine nuptials.

No problem.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

And a hell of a lot more people would understand the opposition to gay marriage if they could answer the simple question "what's wrong with gay marriage".

Come on Jiri, apply logic here. Lots of people can answer that question, problem is you wouldn't accept the answer.

Who decides what is right or wrong anyways?

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Let me give a bit of a silly example to get across what I'm saying.
.......
Seven months later she is tired of me leaving the toilet seat up, and decides to leave me. Because we have been living together for more than 6 months, she is now entitled to half of my stuff. This is due to the current "common law" marriage laws.

Now, if we had gotten married it would be a different story. But I didn't decide that I wanted to be married.

Actually, all of that is incorrect.

The "common law" partner, is not entitled to 1/2 your stuff, and it doesn't matter if you lived together 6 months or 6 years.

Nor is the "married" partner entitled to 1/2 of what you brought into the relationship.

The issue, in both instances, revolves around benefits received or accrued over the course of the relationship. Married partners get an automatic presumption of 1/2 property division (but which exlcudes assets you had before the marriage). That presumption is open to attack in the courts.

As for the common law partner, they get nothing, unless that partner proves you've been unjustly enriched because of the relationship, to their detriment, without good reason.

If you let your girlfriend move in with you, even rent free, be careful. If she's doing the domestic tasks, she's probably accruing an interest in your real estate, even if she's not paying rent. The lack of rent payments will be taken into account, as will the actual quality and quantity of her tasks, but look out.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Azure

Some people have a completely different set of morals then you, meaning to you gay marriage might be right, to others it is wrong. In a country where we value tolerance very highly, how tolerant is it to tell someone that their morals are screwed up?

By that definition is it ok to be a racist and a bigot too? After all, it isn't your place to judge then is it.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

By that definition is it ok to be a racist and a bigot too? After all, it isn't your place to judge then is it.

My definition? I never provided a definition, did I?

Nice try with taking this thread off-topic, mind answering my question?

Why is it "wrong" to marry your mom, dad, brother, sister?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Azure

Come on Jiri, apply logic here. Lots of people can answer that question, problem is you wouldn't accept the answer.

Who decides what is right or wrong anyways?

How do you know? Don't presume to tell me what I will and won't accept.

All I want to know is what you think is wrong with gay marriage.

Its a very simple question and yet you are avoiding it by any means.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

How do you know? Don't presume to tell me what I will and won't accept.

All I want to know is what you think is wrong with gay marriage.

Its a very simple question and yet you are avoiding it by any means.

I won't answer what is "wrong" with it, but I agree with the notion based on equal rights.

I think there is a lot wrong with it, but I certainly don't want to get into a flame-fest here. And God knows I would.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Azure

My definition? I never provided a definition, did I?

Nice try with taking this thread off-topic, mind answering my question?

Why is it "wrong" to marry your mom, dad, brother, sister?

Some people have a completely different set of morals then you, meaning to you gay marriage might be right, to others it is wrong. In a country where we value tolerance very highly, how tolerant is it to tell someone that their morals are screwed up?

That is your definition. Your words. You said it isn't right to pass judgement on someones moral beliefs. If you don't like me quoting you and using what you say against you I suggest you set the record straight. You seem to have a lot of problems doing that.