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greasesuck · 05-18-2006, 05:44 PM

I watch the CFL a lot and a catch the NFL now and then. I just have more respect for an athlete that gets paid 50K to play -30 weather because he loves the game.

rubecube · 05-18-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by greasesuck

I watch the CFL a lot and a catch the NFL now and then. I just have more respect for an athlete that gets paid 50K to play -30 weather because he loves the game.

So then you have more respect for College and High School players who do it for free?

rubecube · 05-18-2006, 05:51 PM

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Or football snob.. one of the two.

If you give a team 4 downs to get 10 yards, chances are they will. The game is slow. The amount of time wasted to get 3 yards on a play, then just take a knee for the last 2 minutes of play? I don't see the time investment.

Take the amount of action in a CFL game, a NFL game, and a NHL game... the NFL game has by far the least anount of action - even a "hardcore" football fan (who looks down on the "casual" fan) has to admit that.

If you consider punting more action than I guess you're right. I'll take Mike Vick and Peyton Manning over Damon Allen and Ricky Ray anyday.

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Fox and all their computer graphics don't make the game appear better than it actually is?

Ummm....no.

calculoso · 05-18-2006, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rubecube

If you consider punting more action than I guess you're right. I'll take Mike Vick and Peyton Manning over Damon Allen and Ricky Ray anyday.

No ****, sherlock. I said as much above, acknowledging that the NFL talent is better than the CFL talent.

That said, I'd take Mike Vick and Peyton Manning playing the CFL game over the NFL game any day.

greasesuck · 05-18-2006, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rubecube

So then you have more respect for College and High School players who do it for free?

Balancing your school work with a sport I respect. Not everyone can do that.

Eddie Bronze · 05-18-2006, 07:36 PM

I voted for CFL and this is why. I'm a Calgary sports fan. I cheer for the Stamps. They play in the CFL. I really don't care what happens with the other teams and I do not have any favourite team in the NFL. I guess the best way to put, and I know it'll never happen, but to put it into context: If the NFL expanded to Calgary and the Stampeders became an NFL entity, I would switch my vote.

Displaced Flames fan · 05-18-2006, 07:41 PM

I love the NFL. I do like to watch CFL though, but I don't have that opportunity very often.

Huge Dave Dickenson fan so kinda hard not to follow the CFL the best I can.

Resolute 14 · 05-19-2006, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by rubecube

If you consider punting more action than I guess you're right.

As opposed to repeated 2 yard rushes over and over and over again in the NFL?

And yes, a creation of media hype. The NFL isnt remotely close to where it is without the media monster it created. Good on em for doing it, but doesnt make the American game a better game, IMNSHO.

StoneCole · 05-19-2006, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by calculoso

If you give a team 4 downs to get 10 yards, chances are they will. The game is slow.

Then why don't they? Why are CFL games higher scoring? The truth is that even with three downs, picking up yardage is easier in the CFL: the size of the field, and certain rules (like allowing forward motion before the snap) are some examples why.

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The amount of time wasted to get 3 yards on a play

That my friend, is the most beautiful part of the game. If you can't see it, I pity you. 3 yards, 3 yards, 3 yards, 3 yars, all in a row as part of a string to set up one > 30 yard play is much more intriguing then the CFL's 20 yards, 30 yars, 20 yards, 15 yards style.

Sometimes CFL football looks to me like a football video game that is turned way down in difficulty so that certain passes work continually.

calculoso · 05-19-2006, 08:57 AM

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Then why don't they? Why are CFL games higher scoring? The truth is that even with three downs, picking up yardage is easier in the CFL: the size of the field, and certain rules (like allowing forward motion before the snap) are some examples why.

It's all part of their strategy. Instead of going for the greatest gain, and scoring the most points, they try to maximize the amount of time when they have the ball. Sure it's a strategy that works well sometimes, but it sure leads to boring football.

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That my friend, is the most beautiful part of the game. If you can't see it, I pity you. 3 yards, 3 yards, 3 yards, 3 yars, all in a row as part of a string to set up one > 30 yard play is much more intriguing then the CFL's 20 yards, 30 yars, 20 yards, 15 yards style.

"as part of a string to set up one > 30 yard play"...

So, you too agree that the longer plays are more exciting than the constant 3 yard plays.

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Sometimes CFL football looks to me like a football video game that is turned way down in difficulty so that certain passes work continually.

That would be due to the caliber of the players. They make mistakes a lot more often than do the NFL players. Have the NFL quality players playing the CFL game, and the game would be incredible!

rubecube · 05-19-2006, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by calculoso

No ****, sherlock. I said as much above, acknowledging that the NFL talent is better than the CFL talent.

That said, I'd take Mike Vick and Peyton Manning playing the CFL game over the NFL game any day.

See I still have to disagree. If you put NFL calibre players into the CFL you'd also be putting NFL calibre defenses into the CFL. That means you'd be seeing way more 2 and outs in the CFL than you do now (which is still a ridiculous amount).

Radically Red · 05-19-2006, 10:03 AM

Me I prefer the CFL. more action, more movement. the 3 downs of running the ball in the NFL bores me. 9-6 games bore me. Sure some of the rules can be tweaked on both sides.

NFL is good but I find the CFL more fun to watch for me.

rubecube · 05-19-2006, 10:08 AM

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As opposed to repeated 2 yard rushes over and over and over again in the NFL?

And yes, a creation of media hype. The NFL isnt remotely close to where it is without the media monster it created. Good on em for doing it, but doesnt make the American game a better game, IMNSHO.

Actually if you look at most NFL teams the ratio of pass to run is about 55(pass)-45(run). The Eagles last year were insane and tried to do it 65(pass) - 35(run) and it cost them dearly. The run game is way more important in the NFL than the CFL. There are only a couple teams that pass more than they run in the NFL. To me passing plays lose interest after you've completed 13 in a row without a running play.

As far as your second point goes, the same could be said about the NHL in Canada. Not to mention the fact that before the NFL was around MLB was considered the major sport in the states. The media needs a solid product before it can create hype. You can create all the hype in the world about something but if the product is lousy it's not going to sell.

rubecube · 05-19-2006, 12:37 PM

On a side note, I'm very surprised at how close this poll is. I thought it would be a runaway for the CFL. Makes me wonder if Calgary had an NFL team, would people pick that over the Stamps?

Radically Red · 05-19-2006, 12:49 PM

No way Calgary gets an NFL team.. so its kind of a Mute point I think.
But I would still cheer fo the Stamps over them.

rubecube · 05-19-2006, 12:53 PM

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No way Calgary gets an NFL team.. so its kind of a Mute point I think.
But I would still cheer fo the Stamps over them.

You mean moot point....

Anyhow, I wouldn't say it's completely out of the realm of reason. I definitely wouldn't see it happening for another 15-20 years but I think it could happen some day.

calculoso · 05-19-2006, 02:52 PM

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See I still have to disagree. If you put NFL calibre players into the CFL you'd also be putting NFL calibre defenses into the CFL. That means you'd be seeing way more 2 and outs in the CFL than you do now (which is still a ridiculous amount).

And I disagree with this too. The greater calibre offenses would have more field to work with, which would work the defense that much harder. The D in the NFL has an advantage with the smaller field (less room to cover). They also have the advantage with little (no) offensive motion before the snap. Give the offense those advantages and they'd be more capable than you're giving them credit for.

Radically Red · 05-19-2006, 02:53 PM

Mute. Moot

You are right. You never know what could happen in say 20 years. Maybe the Stampeders will just join the NFL

Then there would be no worries.. lol

rubecube · 05-19-2006, 03:00 PM

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And I disagree with this too. The greater calibre offenses would have more field to work with, which would work the defense that much harder. The D in the NFL has an advantage with the smaller field (less room to cover). They also have the advantage with little (no) offensive motion before the snap. Give the offense those advantages and they'd be more capable than you're giving them credit for.

And therein lies problem with the CFL. It's too easy to put up 30 ppg. The offenses don't have to work as hard for their rewards.

calculoso · 05-19-2006, 04:45 PM

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And therein lies problem with the CFL. It's too easy to put up 30 ppg. The offenses don't have to work as hard for their rewards.

Except for the fact that they have to keep producing on every possession. This is hard itself. Lots of swings back and forth in leads... lots of excitement. No team is ever down and out.

With the NFL? Run the clock. Boring... Comebacks? Rare.