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RougeUnderoos · 05-10-2006, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by hulkrogan

I know what you are saying, and on a regular non-downtown intersection for the most part I agree. Lots of downtown intersections I agree as well, I do it all the time walking along 8th ave because I know I'll make it across no problem.

Actually, I'm going to change my whole stance on it. Put in turn signals at the bad spots. If there is a turn signal (even though it seems useless from a one way on to a one way) then the pedestrians don't get a walk sign until the turn cycle is done, and then they can jaywalk to their hearts content on the flashing hand without screwing up traffic at all.

Done and done.

That works for me.

Question for you or anyone else... is crossing against the flashing hand considered jaywalking technically?

flamingchina · 05-10-2006, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by troutman

My pet peeve; cyclists riding on busy streets at rush hour like 16th Ave NW and Elbow Drive, WHEN THERE IS A FLIPPIN' BIKE PATH 10 meters to the side of the road.

The problem is, the speed limit oin those paths is like 20km per hour, and the police do ticket people on there.
If you have an OK bike, and are in decent shape, 20kmph is quite slow on a bike.

Incogneto · 05-10-2006, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by edn88

I don't mind there being no fine for jwalking as long as motorist don't get in trouble for hitting them when they do.

Having said that fining people for jwalking is a bit of a joke- because it does NOT deter anyone (but getting hit by a car sure would).

Great Post. TOTALLY agree. If I get hit, its my own fault.

Incogneto · 05-10-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Why do you believe it doesn't deter anyone?

$25 won't deter me.

ken0042 · 05-10-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Question for you or anyone else... is crossing against the flashing hand considered jaywalking technically?

I'm trying to find the city PDF online; but I saved a copy to my hard drive in case I ever got a ticket for it. The wording is "You should not start to cross."

I also "should not" have had a second donut in this morning's meeting, but I did.

Calgary Flames · 05-10-2006, 01:43 PM

Just wait at a freaking crosswalk... or quit belly achin'

habernac · 05-10-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by flamingchina

The problem is, the speed limit oin those paths is like 20km per hour, and the police do ticket people on there.
If you have an OK bike, and are in decent shape, 20kmph is quite slow on a bike.

yep. A lot of people have been deterred from riding the paths because they can quite easily do 30 km/h (esp if you have a tailwind). A 20km/h limit is a joke, especially in places where there are separate paths for peds and bikes/bladers.

I'm lucky as the paths I use are generally deserted. I know they have ticketed lots of people on the river valley pathways.

Incogneto · 05-10-2006, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by StoneCole

So what do you do for a living?

I am a software developer for a computer company downtown.

Bobblehead · 05-10-2006, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

$25 won't deter me.

How many of those could you afford to pay?

If you got 2 or 3 of those a week, would it deter you?
Or would a $200 fine once a month deter you?

Incogneto · 05-10-2006, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Calgary Flames

Just wait at a freaking crosswalk... or quit belly achin'

Why? Why can't I go when I find it safe to do so?

Incogneto · 05-10-2006, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobblehead

How many of those could you afford to pay?

If you got 2 or 3 of those a week, would it deter you?
Or would a $200 fine once a month deter you?

Nope, it would just make me double check for cops.

The lesson learned here was:
When J-Walking, don't only look for C-train, but for Douchbag Bike cops, too.

Calgary Flames · 05-10-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

Why? Why can't I go when I find it safe to do so?

It's the law. Ya hear me!

ken0042 · 05-10-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

Why? Why can't I go when I find it safe to do so?

Because it's not fair that taxpayers have to pay for social assistance when somebody makes a mistake and "didn't see the train coming."

Why can't I fire a gun in my back yard? I checked first to make sure it's safe.

Why can't I do 180 down highway 2 late at night? I'm watching for cars.

Why can't I have a fireworks show in my back yard? I know what I'm doing.

Why do I have to wear a helmet when I ride my bike? I've never had an accident before.

(I'm sure you get the point.)

Calgary Flames · 05-10-2006, 02:03 PM

hahaha, ken just destroyed the thread.

photon · 05-10-2006, 02:09 PM

So what other laws do people think don't apply to them just because they don't like them?

Personally I like parking in places where there are clear no parking signs right in front of me. Makes me feel like a rebel. I can tell when it's safe to park!

EDIT: Dang, too late!

I agree with the cyclist sentiments.. I understand there are responsible ones, but as a driver it's hard not to deal with people as a group, and the cyclists who do whatever they can whenever they can far outnumber the responsible ones.

The one that bugs me is the motorcycles. I realize it's spring and people have been cooped up, but a couple of times I've been tailgated by a couple of guys on their bikes, had the bike pass on the median or in between cars, and blast off like the speed limit was standing still... And then they wonder why other drivers get passive agressive with them. One time that commercial about "watching out for motorcycles, it's collision prime time" was on while the bike almost clipped my mirror.

Buff · 05-10-2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

That works for me.

Question for you or anyone else... is crossing against the flashing hand considered jaywalking technically?

Yes, or some other finable offense. Every month the police in Lethbridge choose something to crack down on and announce it to the public. A few months back they chose to crack down on jaywalkers and made it known that people who cross even when the hand is flashing will receive a ticket.

CaptainCrunch · 05-10-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

PLease refer to my last post. I can judge when it is safe to go. I am a big boy. I have jaywalked at least twice every day for the past 3 years, and never has there even been a close call....I don't need society to tell me when and where I can walk.

Great, but Laws are designed around society as a whole and not just you. And I hope that there's not one time when you make a mistake or misjudge and get smoked, and I watch my tax dollars getting spent on somebody who should then be taking responsibility for themselves.

Hey I'll put this into place, instead of a fine, there should be a reward system in place for me taking out jaywalkers, I mean the ones that are causing all of the problems. Maybe $25.00 per head, $50.00 if they have some agility to go with thier stupidity

ken0042 · 05-10-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Question for you or anyone else... is crossing against the flashing hand considered jaywalking technically?

I finally found the exact link:
A “caution” symbol, either an illuminated orange outlined flashing hand or the words DON’T WALK. When this symbol is illuminated and flashing, pedestrians should not start to cross. If pedestrians are on the roadway when the symbol begins to flash, they will have suffi cient time to cross the street before the traffic signal turns solid orange and traffic proceeds into the intersection

(On page 15)

So it appears if anybody ever got a J-walking ticket for that; they would have a defense.

Reaper · 05-10-2006, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

Disagree. I don't need society when to tell me to walk and not walk. I can clearly see when it is safe to proceed. When it is safe, I go. Plain and simple.

Sorry, but even though you think you know exactly when to jaywalk without incident there are many others that don't. That's why there's a law. So, since you haven't been declared omnipotent, the laws would also apply equally to you. That's the way the cookie crumbles.

Incogneto · 05-10-2006, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Great, but Laws are designed around society as a whole and not just you. And I hope that there's not one time when you make a mistake or misjudge and get smoked, and I watch my tax dollars getting spent on somebody who should then be taking responsibility for themselves.

Hey I'll put this into place, instead of a fine, there should be a reward system in place for me taking out jaywalkers, I mean the ones that are causing all of the problems. Maybe $25.00 per head, $50.00 if they have some agility to go with thier stupidity

We live in a society with too many laws. I break them, I get fined. So be it, I know that....

I have a real issue with people not taking responsibility for their actions, and relying on laws and society for them.....but this is a whole different discussion that I could right a book on.....I digress...