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White Doors · 05-09-2006, 12:35 PM

They are now looking at registering knives in the UK. This after they effectively banned the legal ownership of guns and guess what? Their crime rates skyrocketed.

White Doors · 05-09-2006, 12:37 PM

the chance of a gun being in a potential target's home does serve as a deterrant.

RougeUnderoos · 05-09-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by White Doors

They are now looking at registering knives in the UK. This after they effectively banned the legal ownership of guns and guess what? Their crime rates skyrocketed.

Oh it must be because there are fewer guns around. That is the only reason.

One only has to look at the Utopias of Detroit and Atlanta to recognize that an armed citizenry = zero crime. How could we be so blind? Guns for every man, woman and child I say!

Reaper · 05-09-2006, 12:44 PM

"We're here 52 years. Never lock our doors. Never had a problem," he said. "It's a super neighbourhood. Nothing like this ever happens."

The fact that there are people who do not lock their doors in this day and age absolutely blows me away. **** happens, people. The chances are low that it will happen to you but why not simply lock your doors and cut the probability to near miniscule proportions?

White Doors · 05-09-2006, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Oh it must be because there are fewer guns around. That is the only reason.

One only has to look at the Utopias of Detroit and Atlanta to recognize that an armed citizenry = zero crime. How could we be so blind? Guns for every man, woman and child I say!

Well it could be because the criminals still have guns?
America is a complex society with lots of problems, yes. I do not think that there is a direct correlation between gin ownership and increased crime rates there however.

If that were the case then Switzerland would lead all countries in violent crime as each home with a male over 18 HAS TO HAVE a fully automatic rifle in their house. Last time I checked, Switzerland didn't have a violent crime problem.

Banning and forcing law abiding people to register duck guns is a simplistic answer to a complex issue. I guess it was enough for you though.

ken0042 · 05-09-2006, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by White Doors

Banning and forcing law abiding people to register duck guns is a simplistic answer to a complex issue. I guess it was enough for you though.

How exactly does one go about registering a thing which has been banned?

RougeUnderoos · 05-09-2006, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by White Doors

Well it could be because the criminals still have guns?
America is a complex society with lots of problems, yes. I do not think that there is a direct correlation between gin ownership and increased crime rates there however.

But there is a correlation in the UK?

I never said a word about hunting or even the gun registry so you can keep that fowl smelling crap in your holster.

White Doors · 05-09-2006, 01:08 PM

At the extreme of confiscation, yes there does seem to be a correlation.
Recent immigration there could also have something to do with it as well though.

White Doors · 05-09-2006, 01:09 PM

gin ownership! haha - maybe there IS a correlation there!

Bobblehead · 05-09-2006, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by White Doors

They are now looking at registering knives in the UK. This after they effectively banned the legal ownership of guns and guess what? Their crime rates skyrocketed.

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Originally Posted by White Doors

I do not think that there is a direct correlation between gin ownership and increased crime rates there however.

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Originally Posted by White Doors

At the extreme of confiscation, yes there does seem to be a correlation.

Holy flip flop.
"Yes",
"No",
"Sometimes, but only when it supports my point"

CaramonLS · 05-09-2006, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by White Doors

They are now looking at registering knives in the UK. This after they effectively banned the legal ownership of guns and guess what? Their crime rates skyrocketed.

I don't think that has much to do with anything.

However, their standard beat cops NOT carrying around firearms. Which is a very stupid thing IMO. You hear about quite a few knife attacks when they raid homes.

BlackEleven · 05-09-2006, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by White Doors

If that were the case then Switzerland would lead all countries in violent crime as each home with a male over 18 HAS TO HAVE a fully automatic rifle in their house. Last time I checked, Switzerland didn't have a violent crime problem.

That just doesn't seem right to me. Where did you get this information?

Edit: I guess it is correct

Switzerland keeps only a small standing army, and relies much more heavily on its militia system for national defense. This means that most able-bodied civilian men of military age keep weapons at home in case of a national emergency. These weapons are fully automatic, military assault rifles, and by law they must be kept locked up.

Further down the page however:

Despite these regulations, Switzerland has the second highest handgun ownership and handgun murder rate in the industrialized world.

The link I used:
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-switzerland.htm

rubecube · 05-09-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackEleven

That just doesn't seem right to me. Where did you get this information?

It's true. They were talking about it last time I was in Italy, and I confirmed it with a Swiss girl in December.

NuclearFart · 05-09-2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by White Doors

They are now looking at registering knives in the UK. This after they effectively banned the legal ownership of guns and guess what? Their crime rates skyrocketed.

Correlation does NOT equate to causation. This study that you point to has been repeatedly criticized on these grounds (among other issues), and particularily when people try and extrapolate such conclusions. This is an inherent flaw of any retrospective study, because it cannot take into account all known and unknown factors, let alone the direction of causality. Based on the UK study, to even imply that gun control = increased crime, is a major fallacy.
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Bobblehead · 05-09-2006, 02:22 PM

Another article about Switzerland. link

Interesting to note...

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Switzerland is one of the world's richest countries, but has remained relatively isolated.
It has none of the social problems associated with gun crime seen in other industrialised countries like drugs or urban deprivation.

It is not an issue where you can just say Britain doesn't have gun and has lots of crime, Switzerland has lots of guns and no crime. As NuclearFart (nice nick) mentions, correlation <> causation.

HOZ · 05-09-2006, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NuclearFart

Correlation does NOT equate to causation. This study that you point to has been repeatedly criticized on these grounds (among other issues), and particularily when people try and extrapolate such conclusions. This is an inherent flaw of any retrospective study, because it cannot take into account all known and unknown factors, let alone the direction of causality. Based on the UK study, to even imply that gun control = increased crime, is a major fallacy.

But the opposite is true as well.

Lots of Guns does not equate to lots of crime.

You only have to look at crime rates in NY versus London. NY has lots of guns and has 1/10th the crime of London.

Correlation has to do with enforcement and punnishment. Not guns period. So banning guns is not the answer.