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Hack&Lube · 03-28-2006, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by evman150

To tell you the truth I don't know many people or groups that mock the holocaust. I wasn't making a generalization there anyway.

And as a rule, aren't pro-life people also religious? Maybe I'm way off base here, but isn't that why they are pro-life in the first place? Because God says so or some BS like that?[/quote]

Wow, bud I am pro-choice but ignorance in that statement is just unbelievable

Yes Evman, you are definetly off base and I doubt you will ever find it. When people say they want to block you, you are giving them more than valid reasons with idiotic statements like that and plenty more. Do you not think before you type? So all non-religious people have no problem with killing the unborn?

CaramonLS · 03-28-2006, 07:23 PM

My post wasn't really about the issue of abortion, but rather the issue of the display.

Personally I thought it was pretty over the top and distasteful, for no other reason that they are using someone else's death to attempt promote their own agenda.

Of course, since they are Jewish or from Rawanda, we don't really care, because they are just statistics and less human than us.

But I'd be pretty upset if that was my mother posted on that billboard.

Ranchlander · 03-28-2006, 07:24 PM

University is full of dirty hippies.

Hack&Lube · 03-28-2006, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by evman150

To tell you the truth I don't know many people or groups that mock the holocaust. I wasn't making a generalization there anyway.

And as a rule, aren't pro-life people also religious? Maybe I'm way off base here, but isn't that why they are pro-life in the first place? Because God says so or some BS like that?

Wow, bud I am pro-choice but ignorance in that statement is just unbelievable

Yes Evman, you are definetly off base and I doubt you will ever find it. When people say they want to block you, you are giving them more than valid reasons with idiotic and plainly ignorant statements like that and plenty more. Think about what you're saying. You're assuming that you have to be religious in order to care about life? So all atheists therefore don't care about the killing of the unborn? Seriously. Grow up.

Phaneuf3 · 03-28-2006, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Yes Evman, you are definetly off base and I doubt you will ever find it. When people say they want to block you, you are giving them more than valid reasons with idiotic statements like that and plenty more. Do you not think before you type? So all non-religious people have no problem with killing the unborn?

I also took his statement being an implication that religion is BS and anyone who believes it is an idiot and wrong for doing so. That statement offends just about everyone (except the non-religious who enjoy killing babies I guess)

Azure · 03-28-2006, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

I also took his statement being an implication that religion is BS and anyone who believes it is an idiot and wrong for doing so. That statement offends just about everyone (except the non-religious who enjoy killing babies I guess)

I think he has said that openly a couple of times. Very wierd.

Phaneuf3 · 03-28-2006, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

Look the other way.

If you actually think about it, how many possible lives have been taken away?

No! **** that! I'm all for telling people about whats going on and getting the facts across. But when I'm going to my first class in the morning I do not want to see, and I certainly didn't expect to see, a bunch of gory photographs blown up to huge sizes plastered all over the greenspace between mac hall and sciences.

And read my post, I understand the cause and share the same viewpoint as them on many issues -- go find the abortion thread from a while ago if you want a good read. However, this demonstration was just wrong.

Azure · 03-28-2006, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

No! **** that! I'm all for telling people about whats going on and getting the facts across. But when I'm going to my first class in the morning I do not want to see, and I certainly didn't expect to see, a bunch of gory photographs blown up to huge sizes plastered all over the greenspace between mac hall and sciences.

And read my post, I understand the cause and share the same viewpoint as them on many issues. However, this demonstration was just wrong.

Hey I agree. Wrong way to push an agenda, but I bet it got you thinking, right?

Hack&Lube · 03-28-2006, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

I also took his statement being an implication that religion is BS and anyone who believes it is an idiot and wrong for doing so. That statement offends just about everyone (except the non-religious who enjoy killing babies I guess)

To be honest, I found his argument that B.C. is so liberal, advanced, and civilized that they don't have any anti-abortion rallies but instead have porn on the cover of their newspapers to be even more outrageously ignorant and untrue.

For all of you guys like Azure who say it gets you thinking and you can just turn away - - ->

who's going to be first to raise the gauntlet by posting some grisly bloody pictures in here of aborted fetuses? Are you just going to turn away from your computer screen and let it burn into your brain? That thing is right in the middle of campus just like a picture would be in the middle of this thread, you just see it walking to class and I don't want to see that crap right after I've had breakfast.

Phaneuf3 · 03-28-2006, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

Hey I agree. Wrong way to push an agenda, but I bet it got you thinking, right?

The only thing it got me thinking about is how incredibly distasteful it was and how its a shame that this is being seen as the voice of the pro-life movement.

Hack&Lube · 03-28-2006, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

The only thing it got me thinking about is how incredibly distasteful it was and how its a shame that this is being seen as the voice of the pro-life movement.

Exactly, there's no intelluctual merit to people plastering posters together to be as offensive as possible, making stupid false dichotomies like "Rwandan genocide = mothers who get abortions". Or the ridiculous "electrodes on monkey heads are wrong therefore abortion is wrong because it's so so much worse".

ken0042 · 03-28-2006, 07:48 PM

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abortions are free in Canada

That's interesting; I never knew that.

Mind you it's not like I've ever had to find out.

Hack&Lube · 03-28-2006, 07:49 PM

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That's interesting; I never knew that.

Mind you it's not like I've ever had to find out.

Doesn't that also mean your taxes are paying for it so you have a vested interest nomatter your position?

Freeway · 03-28-2006, 07:51 PM

I agree with you guys. I personally am pro-choice, as are several of my friends. However, pro-life is a perfectly valid viewpoint...but I HATE how these folks are being seen as the prototypical pro-lifers, because they're not.

evman150 · 03-28-2006, 07:53 PM

This really is the wrong place to voice my (very) leftist musings isn't it? Okay, I'll knock it off.

As for the display, I'm all for it. If somehow someone had the audacity (good for them) to do something like that here, I would have a visit and get in a nice little argument for a few minutes then move on. In no way am I saying it is the wrong thing to put on some sort of demonstration or whatever. I just disagree with the sentiment. It goes back to what I always "preach",

"I may not like or agree with what you are doing, but I will defend your right to do it".

That attitude is necessary in any progressive society.

Phaneuf3 · 03-28-2006, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Exactly, there's no intelluctual merit to people plastering posters together to be as offensive as possible, making stupid false dichotomies like "Rwandan genocide = mothers who get abortions". Or the ridiculous "electrodes on monkey heads are wrong therefore abortion is wrong because it's so so much worse".

I really wish they hadn't stationed a campus police officer there the entire time and put up that fence. Nobody would have had a problem with a demonstration if it was done in a civil way but **** like this just makes me wish they'd turn a blind eye to whatever hapens and make the demonstrators own up for their actions.

Hack&Lube · 03-28-2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by evman150

This really is the wrong place to voice my (very) leftist musings isn't it? Okay, I'll knock it off.

As for the display, I'm all for it. If somehow someone had the audacity (good for them) to do something like that here, I would have a visit and get in a nice little argument for a few minutes then move on. In no way am I saying it is the wrong thing to put on some sort of demonstration or whatever. I just disagree with the sentiment. It goes back to what I always "preach",

"I may not like or agree with what you are doing, but I will defend your right to do it".

That attitude is necessary in any progressive society.

No, it has nothing to do with your leftist musings but rather the uninformed and thoughtness nature of your leftist musings. I think the MAJORITY of people in this thread are pro-life and agree with you on that. I think many liberals would be pretty much insulted by some of the things you say.

Saying "And as a rule, aren't pro-life people also religious? Maybe I'm way off base here, but isn't that why they are pro-life in the first place? Because God says so or some BS like that?" is not a left or right position. It's an ignorant statement as polemic and useless as the same right-wing arguments you condemn.

Again, you are assuming that we're very conservative here and again it seems more like you are pushing the Alberta stereotype which is also not appreciated.

Also, Voltaire said that he'd defend to the death, your right to SAY something, but I certainly wouldn't defend the right for anybody to DO anything.

I think people are getting on your case because you don't seem to understand the ramifications of things you are saying or the reasons why you think left. It just seems like a fallacious argument like those anti-seal hunt people are making.

Phaneuf3 · 03-28-2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by evman150

This really is the wrong place to voice my (very) leftist musings isn't it? Okay, I'll knock it off.

As for the display, I'm all for it. If somehow someone had the audacity (good for them) to do something like that here, I would have a visit and get in a nice little argument for a few minutes then move on. In no way am I saying it is the wrong thing to put on some sort of demonstration or whatever. I just disagree with the sentiment. It goes back to what I always "preach",

"I may not like or agree with what you are doing, but I will defend your right to do it".

That attitude is necessary in any progressive society.

put down the pipe, and back away... nobody should be putting up massive billboards of extremely offensive and violent images in a public place...

"I may not like or agree with your viewpoint, but I will defend your right to have it"

Thunderball · 03-28-2006, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ken0042

That's interesting; I never knew that.

Mind you it's not like I've ever had to find out.

Yeah, are you sure about that? Not that I know anyone directly who has, but I thought I heard abortions cost like $800.

Phaneuf3 · 03-28-2006, 08:02 PM

I'd just like to take this time to say: Hack&Lube, you've just gained a lot of respect in my books.