PS3 Could Be Delayed

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

I don't get how people expect the Revolution to succeed without 720p. When people are spending so much on televisions capable of displaying these formats they want their console to be able to take advantage of them. I think this will be Nintendo's last stand in the console end of things.

Less than 10% of TV's in NA are HDTV's. That number isn't going to increase to over 50% in the next couple of years at the prices they cost. To up to 35% of HDTV owners the Revolution may not meet their standards of what they want thier TV to utilize but to the other 65%+ of people that don't and won't have HDTV's the xbox360 is just expensive over-kill (As well as PS3 but the Playstation brand is on a whole nother level world-wide than the xbox brand so Sony won't have to worry)........ that doesn't do anything new as opposed to what we've been seeing for the past 10 years. Revolution could have mass market appeal. I know more 20-30 yr olds than I can count that are eagerly awaiting E3 2006 to see exactly what Revolution can do with the controls.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by RyZ

Less than 10% of TV's in NA are HDTV's. That number isn't going to increase to over 50% in the next couple of years at the prices they cost. To up to 35% of HDTV owners the Revolution may not meet their standards of what they want thier TV to utilize but to the other 65%+ of people that don't and won't have HDTV's the xbox360 is just expensive over-kill (As well as PS3 but the Playstation brand is on a whole nother level world-wide than the xbox brand so Sony won't have to worry)........ that doesn't do anything new as opposed to what we've been seeing for the past 10 years. Revolution could have mass market appeal. I know more 20-30 yr olds than I can count that are eagerly awaiting E3 2006 to see exactly what Revolution can do with the controls.

Except that in the next 5 years many countries around the world have mandated that analogue TV signals will end (US, UK, most of Europe), so all those people who still depend on OTA signals will either have to get a set-top box or a new TV. I think that change will really spur HD adoption.

I don't think missing HD resolutions will hurt the Revolution at launch, but a few years down the road that will be a feature missing that people will expect. Is there a chance for any sort of a HD module to be added later?

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Hakan

Why is everyone convinced that the better system will be the one that can cook your dinner, play DVDs and brew a cup of coffee.

Not everybody is though. I could care less which system has more non-gaming extras though it's a nice extra since like mentioned before you dont have to buy a DVD player if your console can already play DVDs though some people still do. It's all about which system has more games I like.

[Hakan]

Less than 10% of TV's in NA are HDTV's. That number isn't going to increase to over 50% in the next couple of years at the prices they cost. To up to 35% of HDTV owners the Revolution may not meet their standards of what they want thier TV to utilize but to the other 65%+ of people that don't and won't have HDTV's the xbox360 is just expensive over-kill (As well as PS3 but the Playstation brand is on a whole nother level world-wide than the xbox brand so Sony won't have to worry)........ that doesn't do anything new as opposed to what we've been seeing for the past 10 years. Revolution could have mass market appeal. I know more 20-30 yr olds than I can count that are eagerly awaiting E3 2006 to see exactly what Revolution can do with the controls.

I agree. Not getting the Revolution because it doesn't meet some futuristic technical standard is just downright silly. It's all about the most fun games.

One of the things I am most looking forward to in the revolution is a return to simplicity in gaming. I am tired of the new generation games and you being forced to learn 12+ buttons to access the map, inventory, side arm, heart monitor and all that. It's boring, it sucks, I want something that I can plug in, turn on and intuitively get going. The Revolution looks like it will amazingly succeed at this aspect.

Have a golf game? Instead of pulling back on the z button to create some back spin, moving your joystick off access to create a fade, rapidly tapping b to get a boost in power and then pushing your joystick forward in mid flight to get extra spin like on any of the consoles now, you would pick up the Revolution's controler stand infront of the TV and swing it like a friggin golf club. Amazing! To me that is instantly more fun than the arcane buttom mashing/memorizing of which modern gaming has turned into.

It's no coincidence that some of the highest rated games ever are usually the simplest. Pac Man, Super Mario, Tempest etc.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Hakan

The PS3 is looking more and more like a train wreck.

Give me ease of use, stability and simplicity for a console system. That's what you want right? Something that plays games. Why is everyone convinced that the better system will be the one that can cook your dinner, play DVDs and brew a cup of coffee.

Another reason why I believe the Revolution will be successful. It focuses on just games.

Personally, I don't game as much as I used to. I buy 1 or 2 games a year, one of which is guaranteed to be a hockey game. For my gaming needs, I am not enticed at all to buy a new system for top dollar. However, if the system has some other media functionality (PVR, Blue Ray, mp3 streaming, etc), I am suddenly much more inclined to buy one. I guess I am the type of consumer Sony/microsoft is looking for. I actually hope Microsoft can add some type of PVR functionality to the 360. I've heard that Nintendo won't be HiDef..I am automatically out of their customer base, funky new controller or not. I am looking to get full use out my new HiDef tv, not go back to my 27 inch standard def. So yeah, maybe for pure gamers the Revolution will be adequate, but for me, as more of an overall electronics consumer, it would sit there and collect dust. Unless their new controller can somehow transport me into the game to lead the Flames to Stanley cup victory.

[Bill Bumface]

Video games have ALWAYS been about graphics. Gameplay and fun factor are huge too, but graphics have been a huge driving force. Coming out with a system that has last generation graphics smells of failure. Especially when so many games are the same across platforms, why would I want the ****tiest looking one available? NHL 2007 will be NHL 2007 on all platforms. Some games such as Mario Party will always be great and will make you forget about the graphics, but there just aren't enough of those to carry an inferior console, which is exactly why the gamecube failed to widely succeed. Hopefully if the new controller works out, someone else will take the idea and combine it with some hardware that can make it look pretty too.

As for the HDTV argument. Try and buy a TV bigger than 32" that does not support HD inputs. Good luck.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Hakan

I agree. Not getting the Revolution because it doesn't meet some futuristic technical standard is just downright silly. It's all about the most fun games.

Futuristic technical standard? 15% of US homes had an HDTV before last Christmas. The number is growing fast. http://rdu.news14.com/content/story_...8687&SecID=231

And I would bet that number is considerably higher in their targeted market. Not including HD support is a fatal mistake. It is not a feature, it is a fundamental specification. It is laughable that they'd even try to pretend they are a next generation console without HD support.

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Futuristic technical standard? 15% of US homes had an HDTV before last Christmas. The number is growing fast. http://rdu.news14.com/content/story_...8687&SecID=231

And I would bet that number is considerably higher in their targeted market. Not including HD support is a fatal mistake. It is not a feature, it is a fundamental specification. It is laughable that they'd even try to pretend they are a next generation console without HD support.

The number in Europe is far less than 15% and the number in Japan is close to 0%. Japan is to gaming what Canada is to hockey. Xbox banked on the HD generatiomn with 360 and it's already not even considered a viable platform in Japan.

If the new Revolution controller works out like it is supposed to I think most people will look at the xbox360's "nothing has changed in 10 years" contoller and say "You call this next generation?"

Of course it's all subjective but it will be a lot of fun to watch this all pan out over the next few years.

[Hakan]

Originally Posted by RyZ

The number in Europe is far less than 15% and the number in Japan is close to 0%. Japan is to gaming what Canada is to hockey. Xbox banked on the HD generatiomn with 360 and it's already not even considered a viable platform in Japan.

If the new Revolution controller works out like it is supposed to I think most people will look at the xbox360's "nothing has changed in 10 years" contoller and say "You call this next generation?"

Of course it's all subjective but it will be a lot of fun to watch this all pan out over the next few years.

Exactly.

The people above are telling me that the Revolution is not a next generation system because it wont display HD to the 15% of the people in the US who own an HD TV. Wasn't there a thread a while back when it showed that more than 50% of people even with HD tvs didn't even have them showing a high def image? Yeah, you guys are right that's REAL important to people when they decide on a gaming system.

Hell that's more important than the most innovative way to interact with a video game since the D-pad. I mean seriously, if implemented properly, this controller could complete change gaming. Imagine a fishing game that's actually fun? Imagine internet ping pong while simulating actually playing ping pong? The possibilities for desperately needed NEW types of games are endless with this system. What the PS3 and 360 offer now is FPS with even more realistic water reflections. That's cool and all but it's been the same game for the past 8 years. Gameplay wise, there are not many more avenues to explore with this standard controller setup.

Besides, the revolutions's controller will fit right into a gamecube controller even if you want to play standard controller games. But the PS3 and 360 will not be able to emulate the Revolution only titles.

[Igottago]

I would love for Nintendo's new control to really innovate gameplay, but they've tried this stuff before. Remember the powerglove?? It may just end up being nothing more than a gimmick. Would the games that use it have any sort of depth?? Would there really be much practical use for it? I'd take hi def hockey game with great graphics and a normal control, over flicking my wrists in a ping-pong game on standard definition. But hey, at this point nobody has really seen how it actually works..so it will be interesting to see it in action.

[Bill Bumface]

Exactly. Nintendo is betting their company on powerglove 2.0.

I can't believe you guys can't smell this flop from a mile away. Mind you, I almost hope you are quoting this post and laughing at me in 2 years because if someone finds a way to make that big of a change to gaming then we should see some pretty neat stuff once they combine it with some real graphics

[TheCommodoreAfro]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I would love for Nintendo's new control to really innovate gameplay, but they've tried this stuff before. Remember the powerglove?? It may just end up being nothing more than a gimmick. Would the games that use it have any sort of depth?? Would there really be much practical use for it? I'd take hi def hockey game with great graphics and a normal control, over flicking my wrists in a ping-pong game on standard definition. But hey, at this point nobody has really seen how it actually works..so it will be interesting to see it in action.

You have never lived in Japan.

Home of Dance Revolution, a drum/guitar/shimisen simulator, maraca game and a game about walking a dog.

Gimmicks have made Nintendo and Sony both very rich.

[ernie]

Nintendo will continue to be the first choice in the younger kids market and I think with revolution will be first choice among high school and college-age students who want a variety of quick party games. They will also put even more focus on the rhythm games etc. They have their niche market and with the revolution will exploit it.

It won't be the console of choice for multi-platform games but if they have some good independent games they will move consoles. And once in the house people will buy more games for that console. And all they need is one word to get the console into the houses of the more serious gamers....."Zelda" .

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by ernie

Nintendo will continue to be the first choice in the younger kids market and I think with revolution will be first choice among high school and college-age students who want a variety of quick party games. They will also put even more focus on the rhythm games etc. They have their niche market and with the revolution will exploit it.

It won't be the console of choice for multi-platform games but if they have some good independent games they will move consoles. And once in the house people will buy more games for that console. And all they need is one word to get the console into the houses of the more serious gamers....."Zelda" .

And according to a story I read yesterday, Zelda is supposed to be one of the first titles released, along with a Metriod, Animal Crossing, Donkey Kong, Animal Crossing, and a few others. All being published by Nintendo.

But these are the only confirmed titles, I'm sure there will be more.

These console wars are pretty interesting.

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

Exactly. Nintendo is betting their company on powerglove 2.0.

I can't believe you guys can't smell this flop from a mile away. Mind you, I almost hope you are quoting this post and laughing at me in 2 years because if someone finds a way to make that big of a change to gaming then we should see some pretty neat stuff once they combine it with some real graphics

That's just silly. Do you know what the new controller is supposed to do? Think of a mouse moving on a 3d plane. It's pretty much accepted in the gaming world that FPS are far superior on PC as compared to consoles because of far greater control with mouse and keyboard as oppsed to a pair of analog sticks. The Rev controller brings that control to the consoles. Ever wonder why Warcraft and Age of Empires type games are not done on consoles? Well, that's about to change too. Like golf? Why not swing the club, adding your own draws and fades with the angle that you move the club instead of pulling on a 1" stick back and forth. How would you like to go lightsaber to lightsaber with Darth Vader? Like to race? Turn it on it's side and it's an instant racing wheel. Flight games? Bank, dip and dive with a slight turn of your wrist. The possibilities of what developers could do with it are endless. You would rather have marginally better graphics over that? The PS3 and 360 are going to have graphics that are about PS2->xbox better than the Rev. It won't be much of an issue unless you are a serious video-phile that will accept absolutely nothing less and needs to see a reflection in an earing that your character has on. Not to mention Rev will do 720 (I believe but don't quote me) but not 1080.

Sorry for my constant ravings I'm just really excited about it. I've been a "hardcore" gamer for 15+ years and the possibilities of this controller almost make me giddy. I'm not saying it will, but the possibility is there to revolutionize videogames as we know them.

[Hakan]

Imagine playing Zelda and using that controller to control your sword movement. Don't tell me that wouldn't be the most fun since Mario Kart. I have read that the demos sent out with the developer kits show this sword fighting feature working really well with the new controller.

Another great area for fun is with the attachable analogue joystick. This would make FPS games unbelievably fun and even more fun than on the PC. Reason? Well, you would use the controller to control the motion of your gun and the analogue would move you around the 3D space. Imagine the intense internet multiplayer with everyone pointing and shooting with their controllers?

Of course, those realistic water reflections on the PS3 look pretty fun too.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by RyZ

That's just silly. Do you know what the new controller is supposed to do? Think of a mouse moving on a 3d plane. It's pretty much accepted in the gaming world that FPS are far superior on PC as compared to consoles because of far greater control with mouse and keyboard as oppsed to a pair of analog sticks. The Rev controller brings that control to the consoles. Ever wonder why Warcraft and Age of Empires type games are not done on consoles? Well, that's about to change too. Like golf? Why not swing the club, adding your own draws and fades with the angle that you move the club instead of pulling on a 1" stick back and forth. How would you like to go lightsaber to lightsaber with Darth Vader? Like to race? Turn it on it's side and it's an instant racing wheel. Flight games? Bank, dip and dive with a slight turn of your wrist. The possibilities of what developers could do with it are endless. You would rather have marginally better graphics over that? The PS3 and 360 are going to have graphics that are about PS2->xbox better than the Rev. It won't be much of an issue unless you are a serious video-phile that will accept absolutely nothing less and needs to see a reflection in an earing that your character has on. Not to mention Rev will do 720 (I believe but don't quote me) but not 1080.

Sorry for my constant ravings I'm just really excited about it. I've been a "hardcore" gamer for 15+ years and the possibilities of this controller almost make me giddy. I'm not saying it will, but the possibility is there to revolutionize videogames as we know them.

No 720p. That would make it HD. Sure it could be cool, but it just sounds like a gimmic to me. I'll for sure try it though, and if I love it, I'll buy it.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by Hakan

Imagine a fishing game that's actually fun?

I don't have to imagine it, I've played it! Sega Bass Fishing for the Dreamcast.

[cSpooge]

Originally Posted by TheCommodoreAfro

You have never lived in Japan.

Home of Dance Revolution, a drum/guitar/shimisen simulator, maraca game and a game about walking a dog.

Gimmicks have made Nintendo and Sony both very rich.

Guitar Hero (the guitar sim) is actually a north american made game for the north american market and it is actually hella fun if you play it with the guitar controller.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

I don't have to imagine it, I've played it! Sega Bass Fishing for the Dreamcast.

I used to find Bass Masters Classic for Genesis really fun too. Sometimes I would rent it for a week.