Brad Treliving is no good?

[home_sweet_dome]

most overrated GM in Flames franchise history. Not the worst, but definitely the most overrated.

I'm old enough to remember when the majority of this board thought he was a Wizard

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Because he is the wizard

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome

most overrated GM in Flames franchise history. Not the worst, but definitely the most overrated.

I'm old enough to remember when the majority of this board thought he was a Wizard

He built a lot of good will over his first 2 drafts in 2015, and 2016.

2015 - Leaving the draft with D.Hamilton(whom EDM wanted) + Andersson + Kylington + Mangiapane

2016 - Tkachuk + Dube + Fox

He arguably added 3 top pairing D-men + top line winger + 2nd line winger in 2 drafts.

Then the losses slowly kept pilling up.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Seriously, why did Toronto hire him? He drove this franchise into the ground, it will be a decade before we're a contender again because of him.

My understanding is that his dad has a lot of pull with the Toronto brass.

[Reggie Dunlop]

If he’s on his way out the door, he should do his former protege Craig a solid

[browna]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

He built a lot of good will over his first 2 drafts in 2015, and 2016.

2015 - Leaving the draft with D.Hamilton(whom EDM wanted) + Andersson + Kylington + Mangiapane

2016 - Tkachuk + Dube + Fox

He arguably added 3 top pairing D-men + top line winger + 2nd line winger in 2 drafts.

Then the losses slowly kept pilling up.

Turning a worn out his welcome Hamilton and concussion prone Ferland into Lindholm and Hanifin was pretty good too. Signing of Markstrom and Tanev were key cogs, getting Andersson signed cheaply and for term was good.

Made Jagr in a Flames jersey possible.

I don’t blame him for Gaudreau and Tkachuk was gone regardless.

He got the coaching wrong. Was stuck with Hartley for a year. Glue gun was an intelligent guy but Xs and Os is a small part of the game now. Peters got the team playing more aggressive and to their speed, but his old past caught up to him. Huge mistake in letting player friendly Ward get the main job for 20 games to start the season after Covid. Treliving didn’t want to go to Sutter before the season but had to when Ward had already lost the room and Sutter came in and almost pulled the team back that year…but the damage was done under Ward, wasting that year of Tkachuk Lindholm Gaudreau etc.

Treliving was always going to Toronto when it first came out that Dubas was in shaky ground a full year ahead of when he got let go.

[dino7c]

He could have signed Tkachuk to an 8 year deal under 9M but wanted that sweet Frolik money

Tkachuk was 100% his fault

[browna]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He could have signed Tkachuk to an 8 year deal under 9M but wanted that sweet Frolik money

Tkachuk was 100% his fault

Matthew also wanted to be captain of the team as part of that deal. He wasn’t ready for that role at that time, by a long shot.

I really don’t believe at a certain point a few years into the league, that Tkachuk ever contemplated spending any more time in his career in Canada than he did. He had his fun here playing for a Canadian team but his last contract structure basically sealed that he was more than content to play in Calgary and Canada one less year than he had to.

For whatever it’s worth, now especially after the 4 Nations and Olympics, Brady will (once again) have the same serious thoughts to make a move to the States.

[cam_calderon]

How can you say he wanted to be captain, and also wanted to leave? Do you mean he would have asked out after building his profile a bit more then going to a US team anyway? Because the reports were he was extending if he got the captaincy.

[DeluxeMoustache]

I understood Tkachuk was willing to sign long term and the bridge deal ended up biting Tre

And..
Oh man, the Sutter “there will be no captain this year” nonsense … what a #### show

[cam_calderon]

COVID didn't exactly help with trying to retain American players either.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome

most overrated GM in Flames franchise history. Not the worst, but definitely the most overrated.

And hired by the most overrated person in hockey

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

He built a lot of good will over his first 2 drafts in 2015, and 2016.

2015 - Leaving the draft with D.Hamilton(whom EDM wanted) + Andersson + Kylington + Mangiapane

2016 - Tkachuk + Dube + Fox

He arguably added 3 top pairing D-men + top line winger + 2nd line winger in 2 drafts.

Then the losses slowly kept pilling up.

He actually started out his tenure very well but as the years passed his affinity for depth forwards and defensemen became costly as he started using draft picks as currency to attain them. It was also strange how he had no problems overpaying UFA's, yet squeezed his own players when it came to contract negotiations. Worst of all, it seems he doesn't learn from his mistakes as he's basically repeated all the same mistakes with the Leafs blowing picks and prospects on depth players while letting Marner (I realize he inherited that issue but he had two years to be proactive) walk for nothing. He's going to leave the Leafs in a situation somewhat similar to the Flames. In shambles.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He could have signed Tkachuk to an 8 year deal under 9M but wanted that sweet Frolik money

Tkachuk was 100% his fault

Tkachuk wasn't signing an 8 year deal. His idea of long term was 5 years - he said so.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Tkachuk wasn't signing an 8 year deal. His idea of long term was 5 years - he said so.

Source ?

I don’t remember this . Is this another CP “Fact”

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Tkachuk wasn't signing an 8 year deal. His idea of long term was 5 years - he said so.

I dont think this is a fact...at that time everyone was signing 8 year deals. 5 would habe been better anyway.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I dont think this is a fact...at that time everyone was signing 8 year deals. 5 would habe been better anyway.

Well, that's his words, not mine. "I was willing to sign a long-term deal, 5-6 years".

He didn't mention price. But IMO he had a clear idea that he's do a medium term here and then bolt for prime years.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Source ?

I don’t remember this . Is this another CP “Fact”

Some post-trade interview. Go look it up.

[FlamesAddiction]

I only remember him saying that he was willing to sign a long term deal, but was given the bridge deal instead. I don't recall any mention of years, but maybe it happened. It still would have been better than a shorter bridge with a poison pill at the end of it.

It was just another example of Treliving's focus on the short term and kicking the can down the road. That's part of the reason I always assumed that he had one foot out the door the whole time and was just looking at the Flames as a stepping stone before moving on. He just seems like a typical corporate climber. He should have been let go the minute after not accepting his extension. There were even insiders at the time pointing out that Treliving was eying Toronto with Dubus also being on an expiring deal.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Treliving's handing of Gaudreau set everything into motion. He didn't want to risk the extension on Gaudreau while he could buy low after a down year, so he rolled the dice and allowed Gaudreau to have all the control in the transaction. Gaudreau had a monster year and he became a hot commodity. Shoulda, coulda, woulda. Sadly, The Wizard (TM), never learned his lessons, ruined the Flames, then went on to ruin one of the historic franchises in the league. Guy was a horrible but people weren't allowed to say that because it went against our tribe. Only going on and ruining the Leafs have opened the eyes of his ardent supporters during his time here. Well, most of them anyway.