Team Canada Roster Grades

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Well of course the outcome would’ve been different if Scheifele was on the team. It’s kind of how the space time continuum works.

And since he wasn’t part of the team a universe where he was part of the team is in fact at this point fantasy. Unless of course one of you has the keys to time travel and you haven’t told anyone.

It would be pretty ####ing weird if we brought a completely different player versus the ones we brought and in a pure coincidence of the Multiverse the exact sequence of events played out identically.

[agubuan]

Connor McDavid is very much like LeBron James from a mental standpoint, the best player on planet Earth, he lacks the mental fortitude to move on from previous failures of attempting to win at the highest level. I think it's only a matter of time until Connor figures it out, unfortunately he'll have to take his talents down South and remove the pressure bestowed upon him by the Canadian media. Anonymity in the USA would do him some good.

[White Out 403]

mcdavid is what yzerman was but he never put it together like steve did. its been detailed to death how when he joined the league yzerman had to learn the 200 foot game and how to win. mcloser has yet to figure it out. and his prime is already behind him.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Can you go ahead and show me where I said that or suggested that?

It is implicit your statement.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

He was better at center than McKinnon and at the very least gave Cooper the option to run a line of Marner and Stone.

His utility gets him an invite next Olympics, all else equal.

Yet MacKinnon was being double shifted at times, taking Suzuki’s spot on that line. I didn’t think Suzuki was very good at all. One of the weak links actually.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

mcdavid is what yzerman was but he never put it together like steve did. its been detailed to death how when he joined the league yzerman had to learn the 200 foot game and how to win. mcloser has yet to figure it out. and his prime is already behind him.

Here's the difference, Yzerman had a coach, or even coaches that put his player development first, and made sure that he understood that he was a player, a leader, but not a coach or a GM. When Scotty Bowman told Yzerman that he needed to become a way better two way player and show leadership, Yzerman put his ego aside and said yes sire.


With McDavid the Oilers have let him take control, probably dictate how he was going to play the game, and even bought in his own coach.


Because of that McDavids skills which are tremendous are carrying him, but his actual game hasn't evolved. He's shown very little interest in developing a two way game. and because of that, I believe that he can't be the leaders that the Oilers need him to be. As a second line or young player or bottom 6 player, why would I care about McDavid lecturing me on my two way play or to work harder when he's coasting back on the back check and flying the zone early.


McDavid never had a Bowman when he so badly needed a Bowman.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

It is implicit your statement.

Your post insists upon itself.

[combustiblefuel]

Old team is old.

This is a team you bring 4 to 8 years ago.

[Tsawwassen]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

I am somewhat not upset that Canada didn't win gold today, or else we will hear Ron MacLean and the Rogers crew parade the Captain McSavior for the next 4 years!!

Now he is just the same old McLoser

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

it wont take long before they start talking him up again. first game back in the NHL and Connor will be revered as a god right away

They'll be talking about him this Wed. when the Oilers play the Ducks and then on Saturday against the Sharks. The HNIC crew will be pumping and screaming about the Sat. game with McDavid vs. Celebrini. Plan to listen to the Sharks radio feed for that one.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Here's the difference, Yzerman had a coach, or even coaches that put his player development first, and made sure that he understood that he was a player, a leader, but not a coach or a GM. When Scotty Bowman told Yzerman that he needed to become a way better two way player and show leadership, Yzerman put his ego aside and said yes sire.


With McDavid the Oilers have let him take control, probably dictate how he was going to play the game, and even bought in his own coach.


Because of that McDavids skills which are tremendous are carrying him, but his actual game hasn't evolved. He's shown very little interest in developing a two way game. and because of that, I believe that he can't be the leaders that the Oilers need him to be. As a second line or young player or bottom 6 player, why would I care about McDavid lecturing me on my two way play or to work harder when he's coasting back on the back check and flying the zone early.


McDavid never had a Bowman when he so badly needed a Bowman.

They did have Hitchcock, who did the same work with Mike Modano. He didn't have any luck with McDavid.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

it blows my mind that Scheifele was left at home during one of his best seasons.

I guess maybe he comes in handy if Canada pulls the goalie and they want to cheap shot someone who scores on it.

[Tiger]

the way Celebrini played, you think they would realize some youth is really helpful, I do think a bedard could of really helped, but with his injury beforehand you cannot really blame the choice

[GomerPile]

Not to be the fun suck out of this thread, but.... You can't truly grade a team like this unless you watch them live, as so much happens away from the puck. You also have players playing in positions and roles they wouldn't normally play in. Horvat for example - twice in the gold medal game he won draws and got off the ice. That is a 10/10 for those instances. It's fun to debate, the team was good, s*&t happens and sports are sports. We move on.

It was mildly frustrating to see the amount of recent former Flames playing in the Olympics. Imagine what Roman Cervenka could have been.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GomerPile

Not to be the fun suck out of this thread, but.... You can't truly grade a team like this unless you watch them live, as so much happens away from the puck. You also have players playing in positions and roles they wouldn't normally play in. Horvat for example - twice in the gold medal game he won draws and got off the ice. That is a 10/10 for those instances. It's fun to debate, the team was good, s*&t happens and sports are sports. We move on.

It was mildly frustrating to see the amount of recent former Flames playing in the Olympics. Imagine what Roman Cervenka could have been.

None of the former Flames outside of Cervenka did much. Markstrom was Markstrom. Rasmus sat. Tkachuk had 6 points somewhere but was a non-factor. So was Bennett, so was Lindholm, so was Hanifin. Reider was a bit player. Berra was a backup. Ruzicka surprisingly enough had 2 goals and 3 assists.

[blankall]

The team didn't have enough finish. If you can't score more than one goal in a game, you're probably not winning an olympic gold.

Too many role players on the team. This isn't the NHL playoffs where the refs put away the whistles and things devolve into a brawl. You don't need so many agitators. Maybe 1 or 2, not 4+.

The defence also had to be able to help offensively more. Maybe Canada just doesn't have that talent in their system. When Harley is your only other option for an offensively orientated d-man, besides Makar, maybe you just don't have the horses.

The strategy against Canada was pretty obvious. Hem yourself in when the big players were on the ice. Don't give them any close chances, and then hope for the fast breaks the other way and pressure when the big guys aren't on the ice.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by blankall

The team didn't have enough finish. If you can't score more than one goal in a game, you're probably not winning an olympic gold.

Too many role players on the team. This isn't the NHL playoffs where the refs put away the whistles and things devolve into a brawl. You don't need so many agitators. Maybe 1 or 2, not 4+.

The defence also had to be able to help offensively more. Maybe Canada just doesn't have that talent in their system. When Harley is your only other option for an offensively orientated d-man, besides Makar, maybe you just don't have the horses.

The strategy against Canada was pretty obvious. Hem yourself in when the big players were on the ice. Don't give them any close chances, and then hope for the fast breaks the other way and pressure when the big guys aren't on the ice.

Morrisey would have helped with the offense. Schaefer hopefully next time. Bouchard would have helped the offense but definitely understand why they didn't bring him. The US definitely has the best offensive dmen.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Morrisey would have helped with the offense. Schaefer hopefully next time. Bouchard would have helped the offense but definitely understand why they didn't bring him. The US definitely has the best offensive dmen.

Really just Werenski and Hughes made any impact though. So they had one more offensive defenceman. Hughes led with 8 points, Werenski and Makar were tied for second at 6.

Between the US and Canada, Canada had the next highest scoring Dman (Harley at 4 points). Then Toews and Hanifin each had 3 points.

If Morrisey plays the D probably evens right out.

[SuperMatt18]

To me the team performance is hard to break down since the roles of players is a bit messy but I think there are the guys who obviously played pretty well:

McDavid, Celebrini, Mackinnon, Crosby, Makar, Marner, Wilson, Toews

Then you had some guys that I think had some moments but maybe weren't consistent enough:

Horvat, Suzuki, Theodore, Stone, Sanheim, Harley

Then I think you have the group that probably could have been replaced:

Reinhart, Marchand, Hagel, Bennett, Parayko, Doughty, Jarvis

In the end you can't question too much the overall roster but I do think Schaefer could have replaced one of the older dmen.

And you probably had too many of the "energy" guys in Marchand, Hagel, Bennett, Jarvis, Wilson, and could have used Bedard and Scheifele

[GioforPM]

It's funny how many noses were out of joint when Bennett was not on the team at first. Then he gets on and does pretty much nothing. I only thought one of his penalties was dumb (and it cost them a goal against) but he was supposed to be a clutch guy and he was just kinda there. TBF he was supposedly sick for the middle games.

Jarvis was pretty good I thought.

The game came down to the highly skilled guys not executing plays they make in their sleep.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It's funny how many noses were out of joint when Bennett was not on the team at first. Then he gets on and does pretty much nothing. I only thought one of his penalties was dumb (and it cost them a goal against) but he was supposed to be a clutch guy and he was just kinda there. TBF he was supposedly sick for the middle games.

Jarvis was pretty good I thought.

The game came down to the highly skilled guys not executing plays they make in their sleep.

It's where the Bedard exclusion was painful.

They could have used his finishing talent. Also a guy with 5 goals in 8 Career games vs Hellebuyck and has a 26.8% career shooting percentage against him.

Would have been nice to have that guy to finish one of those chances.