Poll request - where will Kadri be traded?

[expatflame]

I would be sad to lose Coleman

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by expatflame

I would be sad to lose Coleman

prepare to be sad

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

February 29th

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Wolven

I think the Mammoth are in a very interesting spot for playoff success. WC1 is going into the pacific division. They will get Vegas (unless one of the other teams catch them) and their head-to-head record is pretty good this season (1-1-1).

If they gear up with the mindset of taking out Vegas, adding Kadri and Whitecloud would be pretty epic for adding a couple of cup winning players with high GAF meters. Also, Whitecloud defeating his former team would be delightful to watch.

If they get past Vegas, I think they have a chance to get to the conference finals where they probably get dummied by whichever team comes out of Central.

Of the teams in the list, I think the Mammoth are the only team with the assets to get maximum retention on Kadri, making him a great option for 2/3C. I imagine when Cooley comes back, Kadri would get third line duty and that he will feast on other team's secondary or tertiary defenders.

Kadri (50% retained) + Whitecloud for Desnoyers (and cap/roster dump if needed, but they do not need to dump cap to make it work)

As unlikely as that trade would be, the Mammoth prospect depth is so good that I doubt they would really miss Desnoyers. They can focus on developing Iginla and Beaudoin to play future C roles behind Cooley and those guys are ages 21, 19, 19. Their C depth would be set for a decade.

You could be right, I just don't think Kadri would see Utah as a contender. Then again, I'm guessing as much as the next guy.

As for Whitecloud, I don't think the Flames will trade him this year. On that note, I think it's more likely that either Whitecloud or Weegar moves in a trade a couple of weeks after free agency opens.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Kadri plus Vegas first plus another pick for Tij

[sch19lks]

Holy f, Utah isn’t trading Iggy Jr. This website needs to move on

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by sch19lks

Holy f, Utah isn’t trading Iggy Jr. This website needs to move on

Iggy was great but it's not like he lead us to multiple championships. Not even one they got close but let it the #### go already. Tigs good but chances are he ever gets close to his dad's stats are so slim . Iggy wasn't Calgary Flames savior and chances are Tig is even further away. This player will not be Calgary savior. They had a line of jh,sean monahan and elias lindholm on of the best first lines ever with preaching it to then Jh, mt, and elias . And still only got out of thebfirstnround 1 time . 2015 vs the Canucks had Hitler on that line.


The point is Iginlas are good hockey players but non were saviors. Get over it the obsession is ####ing flawed. Calgary fans have every reason to be engrossed with the Iginla legacy but he didn't carry the team to any majour wins.

I loved iggy but let's be rational. He was no savior. McDavid is entering the same territory. Amazing player that carried his team on his back and got nothing to show for it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Iggy was great but it's not like he lead us to multiple championships. Not even one they got close but let it the #### go already. Tigs good but chances are he ever gets close to his dad's stats are so slim . Iggy wasn't Calgary Flames savior and chances are Tig is even further away. This player will not be Calgary savior. They had a line of jh,sean monahan and elias lindholm on of the best first lines ever with preaching it to then Jh, mt, and elias . And still only got out of thebfirstnround 1 time . 2015 vs the Canucks had Hitler on that line.


The point is Iginlas are good hockey players but non were saviors. Get over it the obsession is ####ing flawed. Calgary fans have every reason to be engrossed with the Iginla legacy but he didn't carry the team to any majour wins.

I loved iggy but let's be rational. He was no savior. McDavid is entering the same territory. Amazing player that carried his team on his back and got nothing to show for it.

Oh dear.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Iggy was great but it's not like he lead us to multiple championships. Not even one they got close but let it the #### go already. Tigs good but chances are he ever gets close to his dad's stats are so slim . Iggy wasn't Calgary Flames savior and chances are Tig is even further away. This player will not be Calgary savior. They had a line of jh,sean monahan and elias lindholm on of the best first lines ever with preaching it to then Jh, mt, and elias . And still only got out of thebfirstnround 1 time . 2015 vs the Canucks had Hitler on that line.


The point is Iginlas are good hockey players but non were saviors. Get over it the obsession is ####ing flawed. Calgary fans have every reason to be engrossed with the Iginla legacy but he didn't carry the team to any majour wins.

I loved iggy but let's be rational. He was no savior. McDavid is entering the same territory. Amazing player that carried his team on his back and got nothing to show for it.

In a 32 team league, many great players will never win the Cup. That does not make them failures.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Iggy was great but it's not like he lead us to multiple championships. Not even one they got close but let it the #### go already. Tigs good but chances are he ever gets close to his dad's stats are so slim . Iggy wasn't Calgary Flames savior and chances are Tig is even further away. This player will not be Calgary savior. They had a line of jh,sean monahan and elias lindholm on of the best first lines ever with preaching it to then Jh, mt, and elias . And still only got out of thebfirstnround 1 time . 2015 vs the Canucks had Hitler on that line.


The point is Iginlas are good hockey players but non were saviors. Get over it the obsession is ####ing flawed. Calgary fans have every reason to be engrossed with the Iginla legacy but he didn't carry the team to any majour wins.
I loved iggy but let's be rational. He was no savior. McDavid is entering the same territory. Amazing player that carried his team on his back and got nothing to show for it.

So was Iggy a saviour or not? Hard to tell from your post.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

You could be right, I just don't think Kadri would see Utah as a contender. Then again, I'm guessing as much as the next guy.

As for Whitecloud, I don't think the Flames will trade him this year. On that note, I think it's more likely that either Whitecloud or Weegar moves in a trade a couple of weeks after free agency opens.

I doubt I am but I see the logic behind it.

1) Mammoth have a good team with a strong prospect pipeline. More prospects than they have spots for in an NHL roster and as player salaries escalate to chase the rising cap they will have trouble keeping all of these young stars and their $10-15M cap hits.

2) Cooley and Iginla are untouchable. Desnoyers is massively valuable but I do not know if untouchable will apply if the return is big enough.

3) I do not know if a couple of big adds would put them into "cup contention" category but it would definitely make them a strong playoff team instead of a bubble team. Their problem is really that they are in an crazy strong division with the Avs, Stars, and Wild all at the top of the league. Hence the advantage of WC1 going into the Pacific bracket.

If they bring in Kadri at $3.5M he would be an amazing #3C that can also slot into their power play. Cooley, Schmaltz, Kadri is really good C depth. If they walk Schmaltz to UFA then next year the C depth could be Cooley, Kadri, Iginla. But walking Schmaltz to UFA seems a bit crazy with him being nearly a PPG this season.

If they bring in Whitecloud, it would strengthen their RD a bit. They really needed someone more like Andersson but Whitecloud is a good option too from what we are seeing.

The only other add I would look at for the Mammoth would be a better backup goalie. Vanecek doesn't look like he is helping the team any with his 3-9-2 record. Maybe they ask for our Cooley too?

If the Mammoth go for it, there could be a path to the conference finals through the Pacific.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by sch19lks

Holy f, Utah isn’t trading Iggy Jr. This website needs to move on

It's not 'this website', it's 2 or 3 posters who just keep pounding the drum.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Utah has a ton of prospect and draft capital. They don't need to trade one of their best pieces, they will be able to assemble compelling offers from what else they have.

- They've got one first, and 3 2nds, this year.
- They've got one first, one 2nd next year
- They've got a bevy of other prospects to put on the table: Simashev, Lamoureux, But, Beaudoin

I just don't see them being willing to move Iginla or Desnoyers when they have so much powder in the keg to use instead

[Flames_F.T.W]

A lot has been said about the complexity of a Kadri deal so I'm not holding my breath anything gets done. I hope to be pleasantly surprised but think it's unlikely

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by troutman

In a 32 team league, many great players will never win the Cup. That does not make them failures.

No matter what line Hitler played on.

[Tacoman]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Utah has a ton of prospect and draft capital. They don't need to trade one of their best pieces, they will be able to assemble compelling offers from what else they have.

- They've got one first, and 3 2nds, this year.
- They've got one first, one 2nd next year
- They've got a bevy of other prospects to put on the table: Simashev, Lamoureux, But, Beaudoin

I just don't see them being willing to move Iginla or Desnoyers when they have so much powder in the keg to use instead

I've seen several Tucson games this year against the Wranglers. I think Simashev is a player. Very impressive.

[Enoch Root]

Would love to grab Beaudoin - we have lots of smaller, offensive guys, but you need guys that can play harder minutes too. Beaudoin would be a very nice addition to the current prospect den.

(and fits our plan to acquire the entire Cdn WJCs team)

[Enoch Root]

Imagine getting O'Reilly for Coleman, and Beaudoin for Kadri

[stemit14]

I really hope Conroy is able to maximize retention on a Kadri trade this year. Sounds like any kind of retention (let alone max retention) is unlikely though based on comments from some insiders.

I assume that it is because it is a business/money side of the equation. An owner (especially one like Edwards) just does not like to spend $10+ million for someone not to play for them.

Which is too bad if it means the difference between getting a conditional 2nd round pick + B prospect and getting a 1st round pick + A-level prospect for Kadri. Especially since I don’t think the flames will really need that retention spot over the next 3 years of Kadri’s contract. This is last contract that likely needs to be moved and needs much retention to increase the return significantly. Even if Coleman’s contract needs retention in the offseason/next season, it could be done with the Markstrom retention spot. The flames don’t need the cap space and likely won’t need it till 4 years from now when the young players start to enter their 2nd/3rd NHL contracts.

[Macho0978]

Where Kadri goes depends on if the Flames will retain salary. If not, I think teams like Dallas, Colorado, LA, Vegas will be out of the mix.

No salary retained I think it will be Tampa, SJ or Utah