Are the Flames re-building?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I can't believe we actually needed a thread on this topic. Other than a handful of joking posters who love to stir the pot, I can't believe anyone said "no" to the poll.

They say pattern recognition is a strength of the human species, but I think this thread proves otherwise.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I can't believe we actually needed a thread on this topic. Other than a handful of joking posters who love to stir the pot, I can't believe anyone said "no" to the poll.

They say pattern recognition is a strength of the human species, but I think this thread proves otherwise.

I voted no for now. If they trade Coleman / Kadri, that signals the rebuild for me. I could see some argument for the rebuild starting when Markstrom was traded, but then the team didn't sell many more players for awhile, as they pushed for a playoff spot. When did the rebuild start in your opinion?

[GioforPM]

Once you agree the team is rebuilding, all there is to complain about are imagined moves the team could have made (for which there is usually no evidence).

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't think they were rebuilding then. They were definitely just trying to replace two top line players.

Yep, not making those moves would have helped with the rebuild Conroy started but nobody expected them to faceplant like they did.

Once they made the Tkachuk trade and signed Kadri analysts were saying they could contend for first in the division again.

[dino7c]

People keep saying Chicago tanked for years on purpose for Bedard...they were 30th overall and were winning games at the end to get there. Domi and Kane were their leading scorers that season.

[FanIn80]

I voted no because it's a stupid question.

You might have well have just said "have the flames traded players? Yes or no"

"It's dark in here."
"Is the light switch up? Yes or no."
"Well, yes..."
"Oh, then I guess it isn't dark then is it?"

Jesus Christ. Obviously they're "rebuilding." They're trading players for other players. That's not really the problem tho, is it? I want to win a Stanley Cup, but we're up against a league with incredibly stacked teams with players who have more skill in their pinky fingers than we have on our entire roster combined. And we're trading our best players for late-in-the-round draft picks and roster players, instead of early-in-the-round picks and leaving space for our prospects to move up.

Yes they're making changes, but they're not actually changing anything at all at the end of the day. We didn't even trade Andersson for a friggin forward, for crying out loud. We literally traded him for another right-shot D to replace him, and people are acting like that's how you rebuild. I'll change my mind if they trade Whitecloud for more picks and leave room for Parekh to play full-time, but I strongly suspect they wanted Whitecloud and the plan is to keep him.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

I voted no for now. If they trade Coleman / Kadri, that signals the rebuild for me. I could see some argument for the rebuild starting when Markstrom was traded, but then the team didn't sell many more players for awhile, as they pushed for a playoff spot. When did the rebuild start in your opinion?

Rookie goalie and career backup played insane

[Shazam]

Yes. They are rejiggling.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I voted no because it's a stupid question.

You might have well have just said "have the flames traded players? Yes or no"

"It's dark on here."
"Is the light switch up? Yes or no."
"Well, yes..."
"Oh, then I guess it isn't dark then is it?"

Jesus Christ. Obviously they're "rebuilding." They're trading players for other players. That's not really the problem tho, is it? I want to win a Stanley Cup, but we're up against a league with incredibly stacked teams with players who have more skill in their pinky fingers than we have on our entire roster combined. And we're trading our best players for late-in-the-round draft picks and roster players, instead of early-in-the-round picks and leaving space for our prospects to move up.

Yes they're making changes, but they're not actually changing anything at all at the end of the day. We didn't even trade Andersson for a friggin forward, for crying out loud. We literally traded him for another right-shot D to replace him, and people are acting like that's how you rebuild. I'll change my mind if they trade Whitecloud for more picks and leave room for Parekh to play full-time, but I strongly suspect they wanted Whitecloud and the plan is to keep him.

nice save

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Rookie goalie and career backup played insane

Which delayed the rebuild imo. I'm sure that Conroy expected to be in a sellers position and keep our own pick while giving Montreal the Florida pick. Sometimes circumstance is a b***

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just can't believe when faced with a binary decision you broke the tie to no.

A reluctant yes ... sure.

But no?

Because of garbage like this:

Originally Posted by dino7c

The poll question might as well have been "have the flames made trades yes or no" and now it's gonna be weaponized for the next god knows how long.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

I voted no for now. If they trade Coleman / Kadri, that signals the rebuild for me. I could see some argument for the rebuild starting when Markstrom was traded, but then the team didn't sell many more players for awhile, as they pushed for a playoff spot. When did the rebuild start in your opinion?

They traded Mangiapane a week later (also not an expiring contract). They'd traded Hanifin and Tanev at the previous TDL. They traded Toffoli, Lindholm and Zadorov at the previous offseason. None of those trades were for immediately impactful players other than Sharky and maybe Bahl.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Because of garbage like this:



The poll question might as well have been "have the flames made trades yes or no" and now it's gonna be weaponized for the next god knows how long.

nice try but you voted before I posted a silly meme, don't take it so seriously lol. "weaponized" the Flames are obviously in a rebuild. CPs biggest complainer who spent the entire morning arguing they aren't in a rebuild won't even vote. He said if it was a rebuild opinions wouldn't be so split. This poll just proved they aren't, it had to be done to get rid of the nonsense.

Rebuild or not doesn't hinge on one player with 3 years left on his deal...if nobody wants to pay for Kadri's contract that doesn't mean the Flames aren't in a rebuild that is just a bad take.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

I voted no for now. If they trade Coleman / Kadri, that signals the rebuild for me. I could see some argument for the rebuild starting when Markstrom was traded, but then the team didn't sell many more players for awhile, as they pushed for a playoff spot. When did the rebuild start in your opinion?

The moment they realized that Huberdeau was a dud. If he performed anywhere like he did in Florida, they would have easily retooled the roster and kept most of the veterans (maybe not Markstrom with the emergence of Wolf). They could have continued to be successful if he was at least a point per game player. Him falling off the map as their highest paid and premiere player completely dismantled the roster plan.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Rookie goalie and career backup played insane

Didn’t you vote for the Flames to win a playoff round this year ?

Apologies if I’m mistaken

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

The moment they realized that Huberdeau was a dud.

This is probably right. They took a big swing and missed. But given the state of the team and the contracts, it wasn't like they could just sell everyone all at once.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

The moment they realized that Huberdeau was a dud.

If that was true they would have moved more players during last season and kept a top 10 pick

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

If that was true they would have moved more players during last season and kept a top 10 pick

They couldn't move Kadri last season. And then they were surprisingly winning games. The question is when they started, not what they should have done while they were rebuilding at various points.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by dino7c

nice try but you voted before I posted a silly meme, don't take it so seriously lol. "weaponized" the Flames are obviously in a rebuild. CPs biggest complainer who spent the entire morning arguing they aren't in a rebuild won't even vote. He said if it was a rebuild opinions wouldn't be so split. This poll just proved they aren't.

Anyone with half a brain cell knows you're gonna use this poll for the next two years to prove that you're right about whatever it is you're arguing about at the time.

Even your wording "out of touch about the Flames rebuild" indicates you're now using this as "94% of CP thinks they're rebuilding properly" instead of what the poll was actually asking.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I voted no because it's a stupid question.

You might have well have just said "have the flames traded players? Yes or no"

"It's dark in here."
"Is the light switch up? Yes or no."
"Well, yes..."
"Oh, then I guess it isn't dark then is it?"

Jesus Christ. Obviously they're "rebuilding." .

Well it was suggested that the majority of fans don't believe the Flames are re-building. Seems like that needed to be settled.