[PGT] Flames eat slow-cooked Mammoth

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Your Calgary Flames!

The Calgary fan base is so warped by ownership that mushy middle is the route to go. Does bottoming out for a couple years mean a winning team. No. But Calgary has not done this, so why not try and if it doesn’t work out then we can go back to what the winning fans want. Mushy middle.

I don't think it is what the majority of the fans want at all. There's a core crew or 30-40 people on this board who won't hear any tank talk and shout down opposing views but it's pretty much the only place left. If you go on any social media platform it's mostly people complaining after every win. It's not a great vibe either seeing people cheering losses, not a good spot for the franchise to be in with such a bleak outlook. Even Regehr when he did the barn burner thanksgiving thing was like... what are they doing, they need to trade away some veterans and reset. I think it's become the consensus in the hockey world aside from the real day to day partisans just deep into the individual games.

[mogg]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Maybe giving Wolf a few games off wasn't such a bad coaching decision, hey?

Still #2 in games played after that break. Not a bad move at all.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I don't think it is what the majority of the fans want at all. There's a core crew or 30-40 people on this board who won't hear any tank talk and shout down opposing views but it's pretty much the only place left. If you go on any social media platform it's mostly people complaining after every win. It's not a great vibe either seeing people cheering losses, not a good spot for the franchise to be in with such a bleak outlook. Even Regehr when he did the barn burner thanksgiving thing was like... what are they doing, they need to trade away some veterans and reset. I think it's become the consensus in the hockey world aside from the real day to day partisans just deep into the individual games.

I think most fans agree that a finish at the bottom of the standings is better.
Where there is disagreement is if they should trade players, at lower value now just to try to move down
I would rather they get the best return for the players
I don’t see much shouting down of opposing views on this forum.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think most fans agree that a finish at the bottom of the standings is better.
Where there is disagreement is if they should trade players, at lower value now just to try to move down
I would rather they get the best return for the players
I don’t see much shouting down of opposing views on this forum.

Ya I think there is a consensus on that. Where there is a divide is the idea that they should just trade their assets for rock bottom prices (or whatever they can get at the time) to try to be bad sooner.

[WhiteTiger]

That was a decent game to be at, and Wolf was a treat to watch. Glad to see him get a shut out.

Way to go, Flames!

NSFW!

[Dx54]

The CP glaze for mediocrity is seriously unreal

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Dx54

The CP glaze for mediocrity is seriously unreal

Another mischaracterization

[Electricprez]

Originally Posted by Dx54

The CP glaze for mediocrity is seriously unreal

Let people enjoy things

[Finger Cookin]

The pre-game thread with the stats Cheese posted suggested a game of low event hockey between two not so good teams. That's about exactly how it played out.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Ya I think there is a consensus on that. Where there is a divide is the idea that they should just trade their assets for rock bottom prices (or whatever they can get at the time) to try to be bad sooner.

Not sure where the "rock bottom prices" come from.

If we trade Andersson, I would rather trade him for a real blue-chip prospect (like Iginla or Desnoyers) with zero picks coming back, than a 24 year-old reclamation project and a late first-round pick. Even if we have to give up a 2nd and/or take on a bad contract to make it work.

Nobody wants to just trade guys to help the tank. We (I) want to trade guys for something that's going to help us dominate in a year or two, not help us stay in the middle right now and maybe get lucky with picking someone in the second round.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

First 13 games: 2-9-2

Next 17 games: 9-6-2

If they continue that type of record we'll end up with around 86 points, back to the mushy middle

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Not sure where the "rock bottom prices" come from.

If we trade Andersson, I would rather trade him for a real blue-chip prospect (like Iginla or Desnoyers) with zero picks coming back, than a 24 year-old reclamation project and a late first-round pick. Even if we have to give up a 2nd and/or take on a bad contract to make it work.

Nobody wants to just trade guys to help the tank. We (I) want to trade guys for something that's going to help us dominate in a year or two, help us stay in the middle right now and maybe get lucky with picking someone in the second round.

It’s been argued by some that dropping in the standings is more important that maximizing the return. So yes sole want to trade guys largely to help the tank
In either case prospects like Iginla or Desnoyers are unlikely to be on the table and adding a 2nd doesn’t change that

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Not sure where the "rock bottom prices" come from.

If we trade Andersson, I would rather trade him for a real blue-chip prospect (like Iginla or Desnoyers) with no draftpicks, than a 24 year-old reclamaiton project and a late first-round pick. Even if we have to give up a 2nd and/or take on a bad contract to make it work.

Nobody wants to just trade guys to help the tank. We (I) want to trade guys for something that's going to help us dominate in a year or two, help us stay in the middle right now and maybe get lucky with picking someone in the second round.

I suspect, given Conroy’s 3 year history of continually trading away vets that he is waiting for his asking price to be met. He has possibly the 3 best players who could be traded this year. There is no reason to believe that teams are giving their best offers 100 days or so before the trade deadline. I cannot even remember the last time a team got a recent former top 5 pick in a trade (I guess Edmonton in the Savoie deal would be the closest) but maybe Conroy can pull it off.

But if folks are looking for Conroy to trade major pieces in November or December they probably are not as concerned with top value. Can’t really remember the last time a veteran for futures trade of any significance was made between November 1st and Jan 1st.

[TheScorpion]

Utah is no good.

Sharangovich deserves some love, his underlyings have improved dramatically of late and I've really liked him on that line with Kadri and Farabee ... he's unlucky not to have more points.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Why didn’t Rasmus get an assist on the empty net goal?

[FanIn80]

We move out Andersson for a powerhouse center like Iggy or Desnoyers, without trying to get anyone to fill Andersson's spot. Then we dress a schlub in that spot, which helps the tank so we also get a franchise player in the draft. That sounds a lot better than a Farabee/Frost and a second round pick and then a late season push to 18th overall?

Utah already has Cooley at C and they have both Iggy and Desnoyers coming up from the CHL. They have an abundance of very good, young forwards. What they don't have a lot of are defencemen. Their window is just starting to open now, and their backend would look a lot better with Sergachev Andersson as their top pair.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Sure but when have prospects like that been traded for a rental?

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Sure but when have prospects like that been traded for a rental?

This is why Tree invented the sign and trade!

Andersson (signed for 8 years)
Sharangovich
VGK's 1st

Iggy/Desnoyers
Nick Schmaltz (older guy, expensive expiring contract to make the money work)

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

We move out Andersson for a powerhouse center like Iggy or Desnoyers, without trying to get anyone to fill Andersson's spot. Then we dress a schlub in that spot, which helps the tank so we also get a franchise player in the draft. That sounds a lot better than a Farabee/Frost and a second round pick and then a late season push to 18th overall?

Utah already has Cooley at C and they have both Iggy and Desnoyers coming up from the CHL. They have an abundance of very good, young forwards. What they don't have a lot of are defencemen. Their window is just starting to open now, and their backend would look a lot better with Sergachev Andersson as their top pair.

Sure but you are assuming that Utah has offered that to Conroy and he has turned it down (I am assuming) because if they have not offered him that then it is just a fantasy trade anyway.

I doubt that Conroy is being offered or has ever been offered a true blue chip prospect and said “no, I would prefer volume over one asset”

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

This is why Tree invented the sign and trade!

There is no indication that Rasmus would extend with Utah