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I think the fuss over guys in their early to mid 30s is starting to get overblown. Yes they are not mid 20s BUT I think the trend of guys who are going to go into vety late 30s and early 40s will be the norm if they have been good players in the past.
Players and society in general have never been more health focused at another time in the games history. Drinking is declining, smoking is massively way down, player focusing on heath is at an all time high. The Flames have Colman,Backlund, Kadri, Weegar and Hubey all around that age and they don't look ready for retirement. In the past when you saw 30 year old plus aged players and you looked at them you were wondered when they would call it because they were starting to get so behind the speed ,physicality and hockey sense out side of a few elite players. If you look around the leugue now the average age a player stays relevant in the league seems to be way up.
Just as a weird general population observation you go to the gym now vs 20,15 and even 10 years ago the amount of older 50 plus aged guys and gals is a massive difference.
I work in the cycling industry and the 45 to 70 group has exploded in how the take cycling for fitness seriously. It's not because of ebikes either. There are more people in that age group training for condos,tri events gravel events religiously. Mabey 1 in 10 would be that serious in fitness but I'd say a solid 6 out of ten are now and they never even tried these events before .
Any ways back on the topic but I dont think there should be so much concern on Blake Coleman age for trade when you look at his play . Hes probably solid for another 4 years unless he calls it a career.
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I think the fuss over guys in their early to mid 30s is starting to get overblown. Yes they are not mid 20s BUT I think the trend of guys who are going to go into vety late 30s and early 40s will be the norm if they have been good players in the past.
Players and society in general have never been more health focused at another time in the games history. Drinking is declining, smoking is massively way down, player focusing on heath is at an all time high. The Flames have Colman,Backlund, Kadri, Weegar and Hubey all around that age and they don't look ready for retirement. In the past when you saw 30 year old plus aged players and you looked at them you were wondered when they would call it because they were starting to get so behind the speed ,physicality and hockey sense out side of a few elite players. If you look around the leugue now the average age a player stays relevant in the league seems to be way up.
I don't think so. In fact it is more of a young man's game then ever before
Just because you are more fit later in your career doesn't overly matter if everyone else is younger and also fitter. With the game so based on speed nowadays older players actually have a harder time sticking around - or at least older forwards
Last year the only players 35 or over years old to break 60 points (top 85 points in league) were Crosby, Ovechkin and Kopitar.
That is 3 sure fire 1st ballot hall of famers and two players who will be in the discussion for top 10 ever.
This season for players 35 and over? Where do they sit in league scoring?
I don't think so. In fact it is more of a young man's game then ever before
Just because you are more fit later in your career doesn't overly matter if everyone else is younger and also fitter. With the game so based on speed nowadays older players actually have a harder time sticking around - or at least older forwards
Last year the only players 35 or over years old to break 60 points (top 85 points in league) were Crosby, Ovechkin and Kopitar.
That is 3 sure fire 1st ballot hall of famers and two players who will be in the discussion for top 10 ever.
This season for players 35 and over? Where do they sit in league scoring?
What Kadri is going is actually completely out of the norm for a non hall of fame type player.
Agreed. Kadri’s contribution to last year cant be downplayed. Love him as a player but organizationally if you intend on keeping Andersson or Coleman he should be traded.
It is so rare for this organization and the league to be in line. Usually if we have assets no ones buying. This is the opposite. Lack of centers league wide. Lack of right defenders league wide. Goaltending also in demand what happens of someone throws a couple of seconds for Cooley?
To me if they are serious about a real team they cant ignore they dont have a bumber one center or defender. Assets should continue to be sent out until those are acquired.
What Kadri is going is actually completely out of the norm for a non hall of fame type player.
Eh, this is kind of misleading. Where they sit in league scoring isn’t the full picture. Palmieri and O Reilly are a few months younger than Kadri and have similar P/GP with just a few less games played. Johansson is the same age and has 2 less points.
Kane has 18 in 19. Zuccarello and Benn are both around a P/GP (10/13 and 8/10 respectively).
So some guys have been limited by injury, but Palmieri, O Reilly, Johansson, and Zuccarello are all right there in terms of production/performance.
And then you have a whole bunch of players, like Backlund, who are performing at a level that may not be as high as those guys, but is still in line with their career averages and what you’d expect.
Eh, this is kind of misleading. Where they sit in league scoring isn’t the full picture. Palmieri and O Reilly are a few months younger than Kadri and have similar P/GP with just a few less games played. Johansson is the same age and has 2 less points.
Kane has 18 in 19. Zuccarello and Benn are both around a P/GP (10/13 and 8/10 respectively).
So some guys have been limited by injury, but Palmieri, O Reilly, Johansson, and Zuccarello are all right there in terms of production/performance.
And then you have a whole bunch of players, like Backlund, who are performing at a level that may not be as high as those guys, but is still in line with their career averages and what you’d expect.
What's misleading? This was never about Kadri. He just happens to fall into the group of older producing players.
None of those guys are late 30's or early 40's which is what the post said
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I think the fuss over guys in their early to mid 30s is starting to get overblown. Yes they are not mid 20s BUT I think the trend of guys who are going to go into very late 30s and early 40s will be the norm if they have been good players in the past.
The fact that its hard to find guys mid 30's who are 60 point guys shows that expecting late 30 and early 40 year old guys to contribute in the league going forward is crazy unless they are Crosby and Ovechkin.
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What's misleading? This was never about Kadri. He just happens to fall into the group of older producing players.
None of those guys are late 30's or early 40's which is what the post said
All of the guys I listed are within a few months birthdate of Kadri or older
Calling it completely out of the norm because you picked a few names is misleading when there is a pretty big list of guys maintaining their performance or declining more slowly into their late 30s.
I think the fuss over guys in their early to mid 30s is starting to get overblown. Yes they are not mid 20s BUT I think the trend of guys who are going to go into vety late 30s and early 40s will be the norm if they have been good players in the past.
Players and society in general have never been more health focused at another time in the games history. Drinking is declining, smoking is massively way down, player focusing on heath is at an all time high. The Flames have Colman,Backlund, Kadri, Weegar and Hubey all around that age and they don't look ready for retirement. In the past when you saw 30 year old plus aged players and you looked at them you were wondered when they would call it because they were starting to get so behind the speed ,physicality and hockey sense out side of a few elite players. If you look around the leugue now the average age a player stays relevant in the league seems to be way up.
Just as a weird general population observation you go to the gym now vs 20,15 and even 10 years ago the amount of older 50 plus aged guys and gals is a massive difference.
Huge difference between staying fit and staying at elite pro-sports fitness. The strictest diet and training regiments aren’t going to sustain your fast-twitch muscles and power at elite levels into your late 30s. You see that in every sport involving speed and raw power - Usain Bolt retired at 30.
Lots of recent examples of top players falling off a cliff in their mid-30s: Ekholm, Stamkos, Karlsson.
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If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
Huge difference between staying fit and staying at elite pro-sports fitness. The strictest diet and training regiments aren’t going to sustain your fast-twitch muscles and power at elite levels into your late 30s. You see that in every sport involving speed and raw power - Usain Bolt retired at 30.
Lots of recent examples of top players falling off a cliff in their mid-30s: Ekholm, Stamkos, Karlsson.
Don't know where you are getting your facts but hockey do says 2 out of 3 are still putting up the same or better points a year... Stamkos is down from his first years at 90 and his outlier season of over 100 but still doing the same, Karlsson is actually doing better year after year on the penguins . Usually a good 40 point ( yes a few years above aka outliers)but in the mid fifttys since joining the pens. Ekholm is a dirty oilers no doubt but unfortunately his stats have remained consistent as they are not consistent. Hes basically putting up the same numbers or better then with Nashville .
You gotta check the stats man. I get it older = worse but that's not the case anymore. They have in fact not fallen off a cliff . They have actually maintained or bettered year over year. Opps..
I think the fuss over guys in their early to mid 30s is starting to get overblown. Yes they are not mid 20s BUT I think the trend of guys who are going to go into vety late 30s and early 40s will be the norm if they have been good players in the past.
Players and society in general have never been more health focused at another time in the games history. Drinking is declining, smoking is massively way down, player focusing on heath is at an all time high. The Flames have Colman,Backlund, Kadri, Weegar and Hubey all around that age and they don't look ready for retirement. In the past when you saw 30 year old plus aged players and you looked at them you were wondered when they would call it because they were starting to get so behind the speed ,physicality and hockey sense out side of a few elite players. If you look around the leugue now the average age a player stays relevant in the league seems to be way up.
Just as a weird general population observation you go to the gym now vs 20,15 and even 10 years ago the amount of older 50 plus aged guys and gals is a massive difference.
I work in the cycling industry and the 45 to 70 group has exploded in how the take cycling for fitness seriously. It's not because of ebikes either. There are more people in that age group training for condos,tri events gravel events religiously. Mabey 1 in 10 would be that serious in fitness but I'd say a solid 6 out of ten are now and they never even tried these events before .
Any ways back on the topic but I dont think there should be so much concern on Blake Coleman age for trade when you look at his play . Hes probably solid for another 4 years unless he calls it a career.
I wonder if the changes to the game have also increased the length of player careers? It's not even close to the physically bruising style of the 1990s, 2000s, and even into the early 2010s. If players aren't getting continually beaten up each game it makes sense that their careers would be longer.
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