Recall the UCP and other activist responses

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Mickey76

That’s an interesting take on the convey people (calling them tards I guess is ok).

Should we call them CIA plants?
Should we call them responsible for the Measles Outbreak?
Should we call them MAGA puppets?
Should we call them Nazis?

When the convey people called the vaccine mandatory virtually everyone here fiercely denied it. When they said “I’ll lose my job, my kid can’t go to daycare, and I can’t travel” the universal response was it was still a choice and not mandatory.

It was a choice.

A dumb choice.

No teachers have lost any rights.

Section 2(d) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms protects "freedom of association," which the Supreme Court of Canada has interpreted to include the right to strike as part of collective bargaining for workers, including teachers.
This stems from the 2015 decision in Saskatchewan Federation of Labour v. Saskatchewan, where the Court ruled that laws banning strikes violate section 2(d) unless they preserve a meaningful bargaining process.

Nothing is stopping them from staying on strike.

Other than, I dunno, an $500 a day fine. In order to make $500 a day post-tax you would need an annual salary of $197,031.

And that's assuming you don't have basic expenses like, oh, food, shelter, electricity, heat, etc.

You're beyond obtuse if you think there's a teacher who can afford that, unless they happen to have struck gold on NVDA or BTC.

[TorqueDog]

I'll cheer you guys on from the sidelines, both my previous electoral district and my current one are solidly NDP.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

I'll cheer you guys on from the sidelines, both my previous electoral district and my current one are solidly NDP.

You can do more, of course.

Click here to donate to the recall effort.
Click here to volunteer in another way.

If other recalls move ahead there will be more opportunities to help those in other ridings.

[indes]

Originally Posted by Mickey76

That’s an interesting take on the convey people (calling them tards I guess is ok). The hypocrisy makes me smile. When the convey people called the vaccine mandatory virtually everyone here fiercely denied it. When they said “I’ll lose my job, my kid can’t go to daycare, and I can’t travel” the universal response was it was still a choice and not mandatory.

No teachers have lost any rights. Nothing is stopping them from staying on strike. If they disagree and are principled they should stay on strike. As far as a fascist state, the constitution was negotiated by elected premiers. They put in a notwithstanding clause in the constitution. This clause can and has been used for labour disputes. The UCP was democratically elected and in negotiating with a union used all the tools in their democratically obtained toolbox. No ones rights have been trampled. Take your 12% raise and be happy, or stay on strike, or move.

Wowza. The cognitive dissonance in this post is impressive, I don't see a single thought in your post you didn't immediately contradict. Well done, I can see why you would be smiling. I bet you smile a lot.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Mickey76

That’s an interesting take on the convey people (calling them tards I guess is ok). The hypocrisy makes me smile. When the convey people called the vaccine mandatory virtually everyone here fiercely denied it. When they said “I’ll lose my job, my kid can’t go to daycare, and I can’t travel” the universal response was it was still a choice and not mandatory.

No teachers have lost any rights. Nothing is stopping them from staying on strike. If they disagree and are principled they should stay on strike. As far as a fascist state, the constitution was negotiated by elected premiers. They put in a notwithstanding clause in the constitution. This clause can and has been used for labour disputes. The UCP was democratically elected and in negotiating with a union used all the tools in their democratically obtained toolbox. No ones rights have been trampled. Take your 12% raise and be happy, or stay on strike, or move.

Dude you are exactly what is wrong with Alberta. "No rights have been trampled? All the tools were used?" Give me a break, all tools except a fair bargaining process, a democratic bill based on binding arbitration? Maybe even basic human civility and care to consider matching or approaching what other provinces are doing so teachers and students can once again be the best in the world? This could have been over months ago if the province didn't directly refuse to even consider class caps, complexity controls that every other province enjoys. Pretty awful.

The hypocrisy and stink of this province is truly the separatists and freedom loving old boys who only care when it affects their bottom line or some misguided ideal they don't even understand. These people would never put a months salary on the line like the teachers just did to fight for a better classroom, and yes, even wages.

Honestly, how does a person actually travel to Ottawa or camp out on the highway over the carbon tax on one hand and do squat or even cheer this kind of government overstep on the other? "$#^& Trudeau" so very creative. Every single person in this province has just lost whether it is various charter rights for the next number of years or simply having unions busted which will trickle down to everyone.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

There are avenues through which provincial governments have previously legislated striking workers back to work.

No provincial government has ever done this.

There is a reason that that is the case.

Acting like this is a normal use of the tools available is... there are no words. "Idiotic" doesn't do it justice.

[Johnny Makarov]

Recall all these stupid mofoers.

[DoubleF]

Indirectly, I wonder if someone getting a discussion about lowering the voting age to 16 is a worthwhile endeavor? It's one thing about teaching kids that their opinion matters, it's another to equip them to potentially do something with their opinion.

It's not an immediate solution, but if it goes through, I think it might add around 100K votes or so and be enough to potentially put pressure on certain jurisdictions?

Even if it doesn't go through, all you need to do is let the UCP sow their own seeds of disdain into that population for when they do come of age to vote.

Too bad the discussions couldn't have started just before this recent municipal election.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

Indirectly, I wonder if someone getting a discussion about lowering the voting age to 16 is a worthwhile endeavor? It's one thing about teaching kids that their opinion matters, it's another to equip them to potentially do something with their opinion.

It's not an immediate solution, but if it goes through, I think it might add around 100K votes or so and be enough to potentially put pressure on certain jurisdictions?

Even if it doesn't go through, all you need to do is let the UCP sow their own seeds of disdain into that population for when they do come of age to vote.

Too bad the discussions couldn't have started just before this recent municipal election.

The UCP would never allow that, so not much point for now, other than laying ground work for a future imaginary world where Albertans don't vote blue by default.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

Indirectly, I wonder if someone getting a discussion about lowering the voting age to 16 is a worthwhile endeavor?

I for one welcome our new Provincial Government led by the Skibidi Toilet party.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

Indirectly, I wonder if someone getting a discussion about lowering the voting age to 16 is a worthwhile endeavor? It's one thing about teaching kids that their opinion matters, it's another to equip them to potentially do something with their opinion.

It's not an immediate solution, but if it goes through, I think it might add around 100K votes or so and be enough to potentially put pressure on certain jurisdictions?

Even if it doesn't go through, all you need to do is let the UCP sow their own seeds of disdain into that population for when they do come of age to vote.

Too bad the discussions couldn't have started just before this recent municipal election.

Hilariously, the UCP wants child labour but they have no interest in child voting. It is one thing to make a kid work, another thing to let a kid drive a car, but giving them a vote????? nah.

Jokes aside, everyone should take note that at 14 you can join the political parties and vote on things like leadership races and policies. The UCP loves this because UCP mega-donors can sign up their kids and donate on the behalf of their kids as a workaround to the donation limits.

However, some pissed off high-school students can now join the party and use their position as members to actually vote and change the direction of the party. That would be more impactful than a student walk-out.

[Hot_Flatus]

Looks like the alberta elections website is offline....assuming the UCP has shut it down in an attempt to stifle recall petitions?? This is disgusting obstruction of democracy/voter rights if so. This province is in serious trouble.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Looks like the alberta elections website is offline....assuming the UCP has shut it down in an attempt to stifle recall petitions?? This is disgusting obstruction of democracy/voter rights if so.

Wow, Dannyland has become Trumpistan.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

Indirectly, I wonder if someone getting a discussion about lowering the voting age to 16 is a worthwhile endeavor? It's one thing about teaching kids that their opinion matters, it's another to equip them to potentially do something with their opinion.

It's not an immediate solution, but if it goes through, I think it might add around 100K votes or so and be enough to potentially put pressure on certain jurisdictions?

Even if it doesn't go through, all you need to do is let the UCP sow their own seeds of disdain into that population for when they do come of age to vote.

Too bad the discussions couldn't have started just before this recent municipal election.

Be careful what you wish for. I have heard some morons saying that old people shouldn’t get to vote as well!!

Leave it the way it is.

[Fuzz]

Interesting circles you must hang in.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Interesting circles you must hang in.

There are some real losers out there.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Wow, Dannyland has become Trumpistan.

Be afraid. This is wild wild authoritarian stuff going down. Can't even imagine if the NDP were on the other side of the coin here and what kind of madness would be in play.

Hopefully the necessary petitions were filed yesterday in all contested ridings before this madness as I don't expect it to come back online anytime soon.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Looks like the alberta elections website is offline....assuming the UCP has shut it down in an attempt to stifle recall petitions?? This is disgusting obstruction of democracy/voter rights if so. This province is in serious trouble.

Microsoft Azure is taking a dump today, and it looks like that's where it is hosted. So sometimes it's the UCP, but sometimes it's just Microsoft.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Mickey76

That’s an interesting take on the convey people (calling them tards I guess is ok). The hypocrisy makes me smile. When the convey people called the vaccine mandatory virtually everyone here fiercely denied it. When they said “I’ll lose my job, my kid can’t go to daycare, and I can’t travel” the universal response was it was still a choice and not mandatory.

No teachers have lost any rights. Nothing is stopping them from staying on strike. If they disagree and are principled they should stay on strike. As far as a fascist state, the constitution was negotiated by elected premiers. They put in a notwithstanding clause in the constitution. This clause can and has been used for labour disputes. The UCP was democratically elected and in negotiating with a union used all the tools in their democratically obtained toolbox. No ones rights have been trampled. Take your 12% raise and be happy, or stay on strike, or move.

Holy cow that is possibly the worst take I've ever seen on this board.
Also, nice of you to so clearly demonstrate that you have no idea what the Notwithstanding Clause is, nor how it is used.

The use of the clause must explicitly state which charter rights are being over ridden.

In this case (Directly from the bill):

Sections 2 and 7 10 15 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms
The Alberta Bill of Rights
The Alberta Human Rights Act

So yeah, other than the rights specifically outlined in the Bill itself, teachers aren't having any rights taken away from them.... right?

This law has made it illegal for them to strike.
Not only has it taken away fundamental rights, it has actively criminalized them.

As for the second bolded part. They UCP actually didn't use all of the tools available to them.
Most glaringly, actually negotiating.
The UCP's entire negotiation on this file went as follows:
1) Present a plan that doesn't address what teachers are saying is the most important issue
2) Present the exact same deal, but throw in a free Covid shot
3) Do absolutely nothing during a weeks long strike
4) Finally get around to just stripping teachers of their rights
5) (Danielle Smith Only) Literally leave the country so you don't have to stand in the Leg and take the heat over this

[Fuzz]

He's just repeating the things he reads on social media. You know, the stuff people say that has no evidence, facts, or proof behind it but it backs up how they feel so it's repeatable as TRUTH.