They're still valuable players for the Flames but it is nice to see a PP lineup that doesn't include Backlund and Coleman. PP2 could struggle in the faceoff circle, though.
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Those are pretty similar to all the predictions from last year. Luckily, hockey games aren't played on spreadsheets, and the Flames are tied for 1st place.
This makes no sense to me. They think that both a 92 and 93 point team will make the playoffs? Have they not seen Squiggs' snake? Math doesn't lie. Even 96 wasn't enough last year.
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It just gets old. The team hasn't even played a game yet and already the pissing on the team starts. I get it from the Canadian media because they love their Oilers but they also predicted the Flames to be hot garbage last year and how did that turn out? Can we please be allowed to have some damn optimism? If the roster is as garbage as some of our fan base believes then they will have plenty of time after the season has started to wave the room and gloom flags.
You're right and there are some key things to be optimistic about. This is what im excited to potentially see:
-Parehk having a solid rookie season and putting up starting to put up some points with a dynamic flash
-Frost having an offensive jump and becoming the 2C of the future
-Gridin sticking around and popping off
-Zart having a full healthy season and being the dynamic play driver he can be
-Coronato finding an even higher level and hitting 30+ goals
-Wolf repeating last season
-Veteran trades
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You're right and there are some key things to be optimistic about. This is what im excited to potentially see:
-Parehk having a solid rookie season and putting up starting to put up some points with a dynamic flash -Frost having an offensive jump and becoming the 2C of the future
-Gridin sticking around and popping off
-Zart having a full healthy season and being the dynamic play driver he can be
-Coronato finding an even higher level and hitting 30+ goals
-Wolf repeating last season
-Veteran trades
Frost is the one I'm watching the most. It would really help the team transition away from Backlund and Kadri as they age if they could get a 26 yr old 2nd line centre to take some minutes away from Potter and Reschny as they come into the system after NCAA.
I'm not against starting with the Bean-Pachal pairing. You would think that they were awful last year given the reaction, but really they were very effective as a third pairing down the stretch. In the last 11 games they played together after St. Patick's Day, they out out-possessed, out-chanced, and out-scored their opponents at 5on5:
Corsi For: 57.21%
High Danger Chances For: 71.05%
GF-GA: 8-5
TOI/GP: 10:16
That was during a critical stretch of the season and you couldn't ask for more from a third pairing. Bean's mediocre training camp doesn't really matter compared against what he showed he could do when the games mattered. If I were the coach, I'd be doing the same thing.
Stop talking sense into the mass hysteria that is calgarypuck!
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Frost is the one I'm watching the most. It would really help the team transition away from Backlund and Kadri as they age if they could get a 26 yr old 2nd line centre to take some minutes away from Potter and Reschny as they come into the system after NCAA.
Yep, I have a feeling this team will go as far as Frost and Coronato can take them. Kadri will be fine. Backlund/Coleman will be fine. Having another line that is actually a threat is the difference maker.
If Frost is as snakebit as last year thats going to hurt.
I just don't see value for his development going back to junior. Where he struggles right now is adjusting to the lack of time he has with the puck. In the NHL they're on you much faster and you need tight decision making and D to be second nature. Going back to play against people worse than him, he'd just rover around and be unstructured. We need him up here, learning, practicing, seeing how Weegar plays, what it takes to be a pro. If that means he doens't get in every game, I still think it's 10000x better than going back to the O.
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There's 100% chance he doesn't go back to junior.
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I just don't see value for his development going back to junior. Where he struggles right now is adjusting to the lack of time he has with the puck. In the NHL they're on you much faster and you need tight decision making and D to be second nature. Going back to play against people worse than him, he'd just rover around and be unstructured. We need him up here, learning, practicing, seeing how Weegar plays, what it takes to be a pro. If that means he doens't get in every game, I still think it's 10000x better than going back to the O.
I think the people who want him in the OHL again just need to adjust their expectations of what a good first season looks for him.
I’ve said it before, but 50-60 games, 20-30 points, big minus on the sheet, looking like a defensive liability at times as he figures it out… that’s still a great first season for a 19 year old defender.
He’s not winning the Norris in year one and, if that is in his future, probably not in year 2 or 3 either. He’s going to learn and develop for the next 5+ years, so it’s totally fine if he’s not the player he’s going to become in his very first year.
Flames have been good to great lately in the player development realm and Huska has a knack for developing defencemen. I trust 100% that they know what they’re doing with Parekh.
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I think the people who want him in the OHL again just need to adjust their expectations of what a good first season looks for him.
I’ve said it before, but 50-60 games, 20-30 points, big minus on the sheet, looking like a defensive liability at times as he figures it out… that’s still a great first season for a 19 year old defender.
He’s not winning the Norris in year one and, if that is in his future, probably not in year 2 or 3 either. He’s going to learn and develop for the next 5+ years, so it’s totally fine if he’s not the player he’s going to become in his very first year.
Flames have been good to great lately in the player development realm and Huska has a knack for developing defencemen. I trust 100% that they know what they’re doing with Parekh.
The NHL isnt a development league. Huska's job isnt to develop players. If Parekh is a defensive liability he is going to find hjs butt glued to the bench or in the press box. If he isn't ready foe the NHL then send him to junior. The idea he can't develop in thr OHL because he is too good is ridiculous. He is going to develop a heck of a lot better playing 22 minutes a night and dominating in the OHL then he will struggling through 8 minutes every other night in NHL.
Show me a list of players whose development was hampered by taking too much time developing in the lower levels. Now compare that to a list of players who were negatively impacted by being rushed into the NHL.
If he is ready to play at an NHL level then keep him up. If he isn't, send him down. End of story.
I'm with the temper expectations club. Unless he's like Hughes(20 y.o) or Makar(21 y.o) it will take some time for him to produce, and not be a liability.
E. Karlsson started as a 19 year old:
1st season: 60GP 5G 26P -5
2nd season: 75GP 13G 45P -30
D. Hamilton started as a 19 year old:
1st season: 42GP 5G 16P +4
2nd season: 64GP 7G 25P +22
E. Bouchard had his first 7 games as a 19 year old, sent back to OHL,went to the AHL for a year, so the 2nd season is as a 21 year old.
1st season: 7GP 1G 1P -5
2nd season:14GP 2G 5P -2
3rd season: 81GP 12G 43P +10
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The NHL isnt a development league. Huska's job isnt to develop players. If Parekh is a defensive liability he is going to find hjs butt glued to the bench or in the press box. If he isn't ready foe the NHL then send him to junior. The idea he can't develop in thr OHL because he is too good is ridiculous. He is going to develop a heck of a lot better playing 22 minutes a night and dominating in the OHL then he will struggling through 8 minutes every other night in NHL.
Show me a list of players whose development was hampered by taking too much time developing in the lower levels. Now compare that to a list of players who were negatively impacted by being rushed into the NHL.
If he is ready to play at an NHL level then keep him up. If he isn't, send him down. End of story.
This is too simplistic. The NHL isn’t a development league in the sense that it’s’ primary goal is not player development, but you’re not going to find anyone who will agree with you that players do not develop while in the NHL and that player development isn’t a big part of what coaches and trainers do at the NHL level.
It’s not ridiculous to suggest he’s tapped out of development at the OHL level when the very things he needs to work on cannot be worked on at the OHL level and he can effectively just goes through the motions at that level and dominates to a degree few defencemen have in history.
Would AHL be better? Maybe, but it’s not an option so it’s smarter to develop him carefully at this level than waste a year at a level he’s too far above.
Adjust your expectations and you’ll be fine. If you want lists you’re free to make them to back your point but nobody is going to make a list for you lol.
I’m not even sure your definition of “ready” makes sense. He’s shown he is, he just has some things to work on and isn’t perfect. If that’s “not ready” then I hate to say but a lot of NHLers aren’t.
The whole "NHL is not a development league" thing has to really die. Of course it is a development league. Just pick a random player and look at his career stats as evidence.
Players should be at a certain threshold in order to enter the league, but they most certainly do develop in the NHL, and they develop massively. Parekh is not going to further develop his defensive game at the junior level. He should be in the AHL, or at least in college. He will, however, develop both his defensive and offensive game at the NHL level, just like everyone else.
Lots of posters called it after he finished his (amazing) last season. He is done with juniors, and if it means he plays every other game, and is really sheltered when he is playing, then so be it. That's much better development than juniors can offer him at this point.
What people need to show is patience, that's all. You have to really expect this team to come out and compete for the cup to get angry at Parekh's turnovers and defensive lapses (or any other young player for the matter). Flames are building not competing. Development is being prioritized here.
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I hope wolf stands on his head and the whole team plays with a huge chip on their shoulder and they destroy the grease pigs in game one.
Hope vs what happens are two different things though. Lineup looks a little rough for a oilers home opener after their captain signing. Tempering some expectations.
