I haven’t had even one NHL game. It’s not Sutter’s pettiness at fault. It’s because I’m a terrible hockey player.
Don’t sell yourself short my brother. If that one novice coach had given you more ice that one esso minor week game, you might have scored the game winning goal, and it may have tipped you over the edge into becoming obsessed with hockey as a kid, which could have led to a lucrative hockey career.
It’s his fault, he favoured that dickhead assistant coach’s kid over you. Petty.
We picked Dion in the first round, why not Weber in round two? Red Deer guy and Kelowna guy... too similar? Wanted a different type of defenseman?
Nashville selected Weber in the 2nd round but it was their 4th pick and they'd taken two other blueliners before him. Weber had two goals and 18 points in his draft year, he was playing behind Duncan Keith, Josh Gorges, and 2001 2nd rounder for Nashville Tomas Slovak. Why not Weber in round two? This was an insanely deep draft and even Nashville took three players before him.
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I still can't believe he gave away Lydman for nothing.
Lydman was an excellent young player with a good mix of skill, skating, two-way play and physicality- just too many injuries. I served him many times in the restaurant I worked in back then, and he was always a nice, polite kid- always came in with a smokeshow of a Swedish lady, too.
Ramholt, IIRC, was known for his spectacular speed, but he didn't have the necessary pushback to play in the NHL, I guess.
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Don’t sell yourself short my brother. If that one novice coach had given you more ice that one esso minor week game, you might have scored the game winning goal, and it may have tipped you over the edge into becoming obsessed with hockey as a kid, which could have led to a lucrative hockey career.
It’s his fault, he favoured that dickhead assistant coach’s kid over you. Petty.
Sutter definitely showed us how petty he could be in that final year. We don't need a made up Tim Ramholt story to tell us that.
But here's a friendly reminder that as petty as he could be, his more pronounce quality was being right.
Training camp 22: “There’s guys in every group that were really good,” Sutter said. “Quite honest, there’s guys in that group [of cuts] that outperformed guys that are still here, but because of age or the ways their contracts are … you know what, it’s a good group and you can tell they’re the right kind of guys.”
“Connor Zary was really good, and we still have the one boy [Poirier] here, defenceman, he’s a good player,” Sutter said. “[Cole] Schwindt, who came in the trade, he’s a good player. Dustin [Wolf] is still here, he’s a good player.
He glazed Zary multiple times that camp. Mentioned after a game how he was a good centre. He probably wanted to keep him up based on his first comment.
He didn't like pelletier or Phillips and that fact was jammed down his throat all year by media and fans creating the false narrative that he didn't like young players. No, he didn't like THOSE young players. Correctly.
And then he got real petty about it. Being right about this kind of thing seems kind of important though.
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Sutter definitely showed us how petty he could be in that final year. We don't need a made up Tim Ramholt story to tell us that.
But here's a friendly reminder that as petty as he could be, his more pronounce quality was being right.
Training camp 22: “There’s guys in every group that were really good,” Sutter said. “Quite honest, there’s guys in that group [of cuts] that outperformed guys that are still here, but because of age or the ways their contracts are … you know what, it’s a good group and you can tell they’re the right kind of guys.”
“Connor Zary was really good, and we still have the one boy [Poirier] here, defenceman, he’s a good player,” Sutter said. “[Cole] Schwindt, who came in the trade, he’s a good player. Dustin [Wolf] is still here, he’s a good player.
He glazed Zary multiple times that camp. Mentioned after a game how he was a good centre. He probably wanted to keep him up based on his first comment.
He didn't like pelletier or Phillips and that fact was jammed down his throat all year by media and fans creating the false narrative that he didn't like young players. No, he didn't like THOSE young players. Correctly.
And then he got real petty about it. Being right about this kind of thing seems kind of important though.
There are people in all walks of life like this. They are talented and experienced and also think they are infallible, and that's not a good trait.
Sutter, by the end, had become a pretty intolerable person. The players Sutter was dealing with were kids who'd devoted their entire lives to achieving their dreams and had reached the highest level. Then everything gone because Sutter didn't like the look of you.
I'm sure Sutter was right the vast majority of the time. He knows a lot more about hockey than anyone here, hence why he was paid millions of dollars to be an NHL GM and coach. That doesn't excuse his total unwillingness to ever admit he was wrong.
Apparently he like Schwindt and Zary...but didn't give them a single game in the NHL. Pelletier and Phillips? We all knew the risks of those undersized players. Did Sutter just line the players up against a height chart and decide who was good and who wasn't? IMO Sutter had some weird self-hating complex. He himself, was an undersized player who succeeded due to putting in more effort than his competitors. As a coach, he probably would never have given Darryl Sutter the player a chance though.
Don’t sell yourself short my brother. If that one novice coach had given you more ice that one esso minor week game, you might have scored the game winning goal, and it may have tipped you over the edge into becoming obsessed with hockey as a kid, which could have led to a lucrative hockey career.
It’s his fault, he favoured that dickhead assistant coach’s kid over you. Petty.
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I guess end of the day is there a full listing of Sutter’s good and bad decisions?
Is the expectation set at 100% good?
It's totally possible acknowledge both the good and bad he did for the team. He led the team to the 2004 cup finals. He also dismantled and left the team in shambles by 2010.
His drafting record as GM was horrendous. But he also brought in Kipper and won two cups in LA.
Like many GMs and coaches in the NHL he had a shelf life.
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There are people in all walks of life like this. They are talented and experienced and also think they are infallible, and that's not a good trait.
Sutter, by the end, had become a pretty intolerable person. The players Sutter was dealing with were kids who'd devoted their entire lives to achieving their dreams and had reached the highest level. Then everything gone because Sutter didn't like the look of you.
I'm sure Sutter was right the vast majority of the time. He knows a lot more about hockey than anyone here, hence why he was paid millions of dollars to be an NHL GM and coach. That doesn't excuse his total unwillingness to ever admit he was wrong.
Apparently he like Schwindt and Zary...but didn't give them a single game in the NHL. Pelletier and Phillips? We all knew the risks of those undersized players. Did Sutter just line the players up against a height chart and decide who was good and who wasn't? IMO Sutter had some weird self-hating complex. He himself, was an undersized player who succeeded due to putting in more effort than his competitors. As a coach, he probably would never have given Darryl Sutter the player a chance though.
Idunno, we are getting pretty speculative here with the psycho analysis.
I'm not going to defend Daryl in what happened that year. Firing him was the right call. He got too bogged down in his media interactions and failed to galvonize that room. It seemed that his tactics essentially ripped it apart.
That said, there are plenty of baseless assumptions in your post. Pelletier and Phillips weren't snap judgements based on size or looks. He assessed the 2 players in 2 training camps. He watched more Wranglers games than any non flames employee. I remember he said he went on the road with the Wranglers during the buy weeks. He succesfully coached plenty of young undersized players throughout his career.
Who knows how all that stuff that year went down. Which players got called up may have been part of the power struggle between him and Treliving. It would make sense based on what went down that year.
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