Throw Down who is the worst Flames GM of all time

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

Worst to Best:
Risebrough (and it's not close)
Feaster- just embarrassing.
Button- the Savard fiasco was a major blunder but he also helped to build the team that would go to the Cup finals in 2004.
Treliving/Sutter tie- they both had some early wins but lost the plot towards the end. I think Treliving probably gets more heat due to some recency bias.
Coates
Fletcher

Didn't include Burke, Maloney or Conroy due to length of service.

I think this is about right (and I don't credit Feaster or Wisebrod when it comes to late draft picks like Gaudreau, but I sure do for moves like trading down to get Janko)

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

He drafted poorly but his narrow view of what a good player is/was caused him to toss aside quality players for next to nothing. Examples including Toni Lydman and Anton Stralman. He just was a VERY poor talent evaluator.

I can kinda give Sutter a pass for Stralman, as he passed through a few teams’ hands before he established himself in Tampa.

But there’s no excuse for Lydman. Dealing him for a 3rd round pick, when he was already an established 2nd pairing d-man, and went on to be a really good #3D for 10 more years, was just inexplicable. One of the most under-recognized bad trades in the team’s history.

I think you’re absolutely right that Sutter had a very narrow definition of what he wanted in players, and that caused him to really over/under value a lot of guys and make bad deals.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I can kinda give Sutter a pass for Stralman, as he passed through a few teams’ hands before he established himself in Tampa.

But there’s no excuse for Lydman. Dealing him for a 3rd round pick, when he was already an established 2nd pairing d-man, and went on to be a really good #3D for 10 more years, was just inexplicable. One of the most under-recognized bad trades in the team’s history.

I think you’re absolutely right that Sutter had a very narrow definition of what he wanted in players, and that caused him to really over/under value a lot of guys and make bad deals.

They didn't give Stralman a real look. When they made that deal (Stuart, 7th round pick for Primeau and a 2nd rounder) I thought it was a savvy way to dump cap but also pick up a good prospect. Instead they flipped him to CBJ before the season started where he put up 34 points in 73 games that season.

Those two come to mind together because I view them both as examples of really good NHL dmen, but ones that didn't fit Sutter's view so were dumped for poor returns.

[CsInMyBlood]

Sutter trading Andrew Ference for Brad Stuart was his worst move IMO.

Multiple players came out down the road saying it ripped that team apart and the sense of family glue the dressing room had was gone.

It did however net Ference a Cup.

[Johnny Makarov]

Cliff Fletcher! because he left and took Risebrough to town on the Gilmour trade.

[dissentowner]

It's Craig Button and it isn't close. He still knows F all about player value. Imagine if Iggy had Marc Savard throughout the prime off his career. Or we had Matty St Louis instead of not even qualifying him. Or giving away JS Giguere for peanuts. It's Button by a mile.

[BigT112]

Can't it be all of them?

[Jason14h]

People forget how great Sutters first years as GM were

http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/...l_Sutter/165/3

Go to the start and look at the first few years . It’s as good as you will see and lead to a cup win / finals

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

People forget how great Sutters first years as GM were

http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/...l_Sutter/165/3

Go to the start and look at the first few years . It’s as good as you will see and lead to a cup win / finals

Yep. He might have had the best run and also the worst run of a Flames GM.

[Lewis_D]

I like how this thread was started due to everyone in the Mangiapane trade thread discussing the worst Flames GM of all time and now this thread has turned into a discussion about Darryl's best & worst trades.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Again I think Darryl teh coach and GM gets coupled together too much. The coach did great things, the GM was one of the worst. He wasted the hall of fame careers of Iginla and Kipper with bums like Playfair, Keenan and his brother.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It's Craig Button and it isn't close. He still knows F all about player value. Imagine if Iggy had Marc Savard throughout the prime off his career. Or we had Matty St Louis instead of not even qualifying him. Or giving away JS Giguere for peanuts. It's Button by a mile.

It’s even worse than not qualifying him. He was under contract making league minimum in Canadian dollars (which was allowed at the time). Button actually paid him to go away. There was absolutely no downside to keeping him around.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Again I think Darryl teh coach and GM gets coupled together too much. The coach did great things, the GM was one of the worst. He wasted the hall of fame careers of Iginla and Kipper with bums like Playfair, Keenan and his brother.

Did you even look at the link I posted with all his trades?

Conroy , Langkow , Kipper , Tanguay , Cammelleri , Simon , Bourque , Warrener , Nilsson , Donovan - all brought in over the first few years of his GM tenure

Yeah - One of the worse …..sure the last few years he went crazy - but his peak is up there with anyones

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Did you even look at the link I posted with all his trades?

Conroy , Langkow , Kipper , Tanguay , Cammelleri , Simon , Bourque , Warrener , Nilsson , Donovan - all brought in over the first few years of his GM tenure

Yeah - One of the worse …..sure the last few years he went crazy - but his peak is up there with anyones

He didn't trade for Conroy. Or Donovan.

Kipper was a fluke, he orginally wanted Toskala.

Tanguay, Langkow are all good trades. The rest of the players are just fillers.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He didn't trade for Conroy. Or Donovan.

Kipper was a fluke, he orginally wanted Toskala.

Tanguay, Langkow are all good trades. The rest of the players are just fillers.

Meant Ville sometimes get all those guys mixed and when they were acquired as they were the 3rd line during the run

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Meant Ville sometimes get all those guys mixed and when they were acquired as they were the 3rd line during the run

He played 19 games for us and the playoffs. Sure he was good in the playoffs, but that is all he got out of him. Not sure that is peak greatness.

He had a good fast young team, which he dismantled quickly after the lockout. So we could get vets like Amonte and scumbag McCarty. He also brought in guys like Bertuzzi and Marchment.

[InternationalVillager]

The GM that screwed up with Savard and St. Louis is it for me. If it's 2 different GMs then both of them. Monumental disaster. Coates and Button era I believe. Just looked it up. Coates traded FOR Savard. Button traded him away. Yup it was Button who also lost St. Louis.

Craig Button - WOW. And that's why he was never a GM ever again.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by troutman

This is only hearsay, but I think his hands were tied by off-ice dramas.

I'm fairly sure it happened, probably worse than what you might have heard. Gilmour lived near me, I often passed him cycling in my neighbourhood, he always recognized me and said hi. My friends and I also played football with him a couple of times. One of my friends had an absolute stunner for a sister, catch being she was 14 at the time. And boy Gilmour fancied her something. Nothing happened though, thank goodness.

I did hear about the other incident, as the family involved was known to us.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

The GM that screwed up with Savard and St. Louis is it for me. If it's 2 different GMs then both of them. Monumental disaster. Coates and Button era I believe. Just looked it up. Coates traded FOR Savard. Button traded him away.

That's Button for both.
Coates acquired both. Button dumped both.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

That's Button for both.
Coates acquired both. Button dumped both.

Button also traded away JS Giguere....

He lost 3 all stars for this franchise. Giguere seems to be forgotten because we ended up landing into Kipper.

All 3 of these players won the Cup i believe.

Imagine a line of MSL-Savard-Iginla......