03-07-2025, 09:33 AM
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by dammage79
The point of getting Cozens for the Flames would be to add to the core of Zary, Coronato and Wolf, not swap deck chairs. I'm glad the Flames wouldn't move Zary for Cozens. But I still was hoping Cozens was coming to the Flames.
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But sometimes you need to make moves to address a weakness and manage your cap. Coronato and Zary are RFAs, we don't know the ask yet maybe the Flames haven talked it yet but if Zary or Coronato wants Cozens money and both are wingers, maybe you look into more than if the contract demand is less.
Teams are trading for Rantanen until they find out he wants $14 mil
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03-07-2025, 09:34 AM
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#42
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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I wonder if CGY walks in on Rantanen and sign him to what he wants. That's been a bubbling rumor for a week or so now.
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03-07-2025, 09:35 AM
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#43
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
I wonder if CGY walks in on Rantanen and sign him to what he wants. That's been a bubbling rumor for a week or so now.
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You mean in the summer right?
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03-07-2025, 09:36 AM
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#44
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First Line Centre
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Location: Lethbridge
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
I wonder if CGY walks in on Rantanen and sign him to what he wants. That's been a bubbling rumor for a week or so now.
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No reason to do it now and give up assets when he will be a UFA in the summer.
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03-07-2025, 09:37 AM
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#45
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbull8
You mean in the summer right?
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Most likely but it's a crazy day today, maybe they do it today.
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03-07-2025, 09:37 AM
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#46
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First Line Centre
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I don't know that seems like as close of a even hockey deal as you will find.
I get the injury concerns for Norris, but he's a good hockey player nonetheless.
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03-07-2025, 09:43 AM
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#47
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Franchise Player
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I think it is close on paper, but I would bet that Cozens turns around in Ottawa.
Norris just can't stay healthy and is more expensive. Docker has limited upside IMO. This is a win for Ottawa IF (and there is no guarantee here) Cozens turns his game around in Ottawa. I like this for Ottawa - shed a bit of cap, and I think they end up with the better player long-term.
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03-07-2025, 09:49 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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I think it's a win for the sens regardless.
Even if Cozens is a 3rd line center atleast he should be a healthy asset.
Norris is just as expensive, older and hasn't had a healthy season in the NHL. Pretty sure he's coming off his 3rd surgery on the same shoulder. Good chance he has lots of injury time in his future.
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03-07-2025, 09:49 AM
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#49
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by traptor
that's a big if. He hasn't had a full season since entering the NHL and hasn't he had 3 shoulder surgeries already?
Feels like a huge risk for the sabres and one we could of easily matched.
Makes me think Conroy wasn't willing to move a Sharky or Frost.
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They would have traded sharky for him for sure
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03-07-2025, 09:50 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Thos seem like pretty minor differences - Norris is having a much better year than Cozens and plays a better two way game. Norris has more goals than all but two Flames. Norris's shoulder is a concern though.
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Is Norris having a much better year?
Norris: 20 goals and 33 points in 53 Games
Cozens: 11 goals and 31 in 61 games
That's pretty close, but when you look at 5v5
Norris: 12 points in 53 games
Cozens: 25 points in 61 games
Norris has been very powerplay dependant this year, and he won't be on that same unit in Buffalo
Last edited by SuperMatt18; 03-07-2025 at 09:52 AM.
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03-07-2025, 09:50 AM
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#51
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mdubz
No reason to do it now and give up assets when he will be a UFA in the summer.
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If they really wanted to... that extra year could shave the AAV down.
These numbers make me a bit sick but as an exercise:
15m x 7 years vs 13m x 8 years
What's the 2m in cap space worth to the team? What's the extra year worth to Rantanen?
Under it all is the cost to get him now... the rumored cost from the Leafs is high as is giving up someone like Stankoven ++
Ultimately, it may make sense for those teams, but why would we part with... say Coronato, Bru, Honzek + 1st when we're not even competitive?
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03-07-2025, 09:50 AM
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#52
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
They would have traded sharky for him for sure
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Told you Cozens didn't have crazy value haha. Zary swap would have gotten it done. Will be interesting to see if Cozens breaks out in Ottawa
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03-07-2025, 09:52 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Is Norris having a much better year?
Norris: 20 goals and 33 points in 53 Games
Cozens: 11 goals and 31 in 61 games
That's pretty close, and when you look at 5v5
Norris: 12 points in 53 games
Cozens: 25 points in 61 games
Norris has been very powerplay dependant this year, and he won't be on that same unit in Buffalo
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I'm not as much fussed about 5x5 versus PP production. They all count. And we all bemoan a poor powerplay. I don't think 20 v 11 goals is close and I think similar points but in 8 less games is also favorable. Plus There's the otehr side of the puck and Cozens is really bad defensively.
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03-07-2025, 09:55 AM
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#54
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
They would have traded sharky for him for sure
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I hope so...
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03-07-2025, 09:56 AM
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#55
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Good trade for Ottawa if it goes through
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03-07-2025, 09:56 AM
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#56
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
I'm not as much fussed about 5x5 versus PP production. They all count. And we all bemoan a poor powerplay. I don't think 20 v 11 goals is close and I think similar points but in 8 less games is also favorable. Plus There's the otehr side of the puck and Cozens is really bad defensively.
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Is the PP production sustainable on a new team or is it more that he gets to play with Tkachuk and Stutzle
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03-07-2025, 10:01 AM
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#57
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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'delete', sorry wrong thread.
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03-07-2025, 10:02 AM
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#58
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Is the PP production sustainable on a new team or is it more that he gets to play with Tkachuk and Stutzle
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Well, Cozens didn't even make the 1st unit in Buffalo so it's a tough comparison. If Norris ousts Quinn (who is injured now anyway) and plays with Thompson, Dahlin, and Tuch, sure he can maintain that. Maybe he actually improves their PP.
At the end of the day, it's not so much that Norris is way better. Their career numbners are similar and Norris does have the injury issue. It's that I don't get the Cozens hype. I think it's draft related.
Last edited by GioforPM; 03-07-2025 at 10:04 AM.
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03-07-2025, 10:06 AM
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#59
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Franchise Player
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Basically it is a cap dump for a cap dump. Docker has no value and they were talking about how he has no value on sports radio in Ottawa last week. Not surprising that Buffalo could not get much for Cozens. Any talk of serious assets being moved out for him was pie in the sky. Ottawa saves about 850K a year on the cap.
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03-07-2025, 10:10 AM
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#60
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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