[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames remain interested in Cozens despite trading for Frost

[Roof-Daddy]

If they're trying to trade with Buffalo in an effort to get Cozens, another piece they have who would fit like a glove is Bowen Byram. Left shot top 4 D who is 23 years old and an under control asset.

The pieces going the other way definitely hurt though. It wouldn't be like the Philly deal. Although, before it happened I wouldn't have thought the Philly deal would be like the Philly deal.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If they're trying to trade with Buffalo in an effort to get Cozens, another piece they have who would fit like a glove is Bowen Byram. Left shot top 4 D who is 23 years old and an under control asset.

The pieces going the other way definitely hurt though. It wouldn't be like the Philly deal. Although, before it happened I wouldn't have thought the Philly deal would be like the Philly deal.

LHD is an organizational weakness. Landing a combo of Byram + Cozens, I'd be perfectly fine with a package around Rasmus, though as previously noted you'd need to probably find a 3rd team.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If they're trying to trade with Buffalo in an effort to get Cozens, another piece they have who would fit like a glove is Bowen Byram. Left shot top 4 D who is 23 years old and an under control asset.

The pieces going the other way definitely hurt though. It wouldn't be like the Philly deal. Although, before it happened I wouldn't have thought the Philly deal would be like the Philly deal.

To make it more like the Philly deal you'd take back Mattias Samuelsson.

He'd be the "Farabee has a bad contract" part of that equation. Unless it's the Pettersson trade (or a similar top line C acquisition) I have a hard time seeing them move Cozens and Bryam in the same deal.

6'4" 224 lbs, 24 years old, has been a bit injury prone, but Sabres have seem to have soured on him and he has 5 years at $4.3M left on his contract after this season.

If I was Conroy I'd be willing to take on that contract as part of any Cozens discussions if it helped lower the price at all.

Originally Posted by mdubz

Royle, any truth to this?

He commented in the Trade Rumour thread on it already.

Originally Posted by Royle9

LeBrun isn't wrong, Craig is still very high on Cozens and has been for a long time but there's just no deal to be had between the two teams right now.

Buffalo wants Andersson as the main piece, likely Pospisil as well.
Andersson wont waive to go to Buffalo, he wants the Flames or a contender.
How does Calgary pivot into a hockey trade? What 3rd team comes into the mix?
Lots of teams are interested in Cozens, so its not unreal to hear that Calgary is still very much interested.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah...I'm not sure how much more value he has than Frost TBH. And I think we can say Frost value around the league was probably around a 2nd.

Last Two Seasons:

Frost:
TOI: 1904
5v5 G: 18
5v5 P: 44
Total G: 25
Total P: 67
xGF% : 54.35%
GF%: 50.4%(62 GF - 61 GA)

Cozens:
TOI: 2268
5v5 G: 17
5v5 P: 47
Total G: 28
Total P: 73
xGF% 48.4%
GF%: 48.1% (74 GF - 80 GA)

Actual performance might actual lean towards Frost over the last two seasons. Better underlying stats, similar points and goals totals even though he played 350 fewer minutes.

Cozens is 2 years younger, bigger, and a RH shot which likely gives him slightly more value to GMs. But his $7.1M contract isn't great (although rising cap makes that less of a barrier if they hold him to move in the offseason).

The real problem here is Buffalo seems to want to move him to either upgrade C (Flames don't have a piece for that) or to shore up their RH d (Andersson's contract status is going to make that tough).

If I was Buffalo I'd be trading Cozens for the best total package instead of trying to finesse a "Hockey Trade" and then use all the assets you pick up to try to package together for the C or RH dman that you want.

(Although Pettersson being available is a barrier to that because Cozens would likely be the type of C Vancouver would need going back in any deal)

Cozen already has a 30 goal and 68 point season under his belt. Cozens is also bigger, younger, and was drafted higher. Cozens also has a lot more suitors around the league. The bidding for Cozens is already likely well beyond the Frost return.

It's the difference between a potential #1 centre vs a potential #2. Everyone on Buffalo has had awful numbers for the last 2 years, and many teams will be relying heavily on that to explain away Cozens less than spectacular numbers over the last two seasons.

[dammage79]

Zary
Frost
Cozens
Backs

Is a pretty crazy C grouping if Conny could swing a deal for him. That's 5 to 7 years of locked up top 9 centers.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I posted in the other thread, but Buffalo rumored ask was for Andersson, Pospisil and a pick the last time things were half serious. Andersson didn't want to waive for Buffalo.

Originally Posted by mdubz

Royle, any truth to this?

[Poe969]

What about Anderson and sharky for cozens and Byram?

[CroFlames]

I'm sure the Flames are still interested in acquiring Crosby also for the right price. Not exactly insider information there, Pierre.

[Rick M.]

When I watch Buffalo, I hardly notice Cozens. What am I missing?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by blankall

Cozen already has a 30 goal and 68 point season under his belt. Cozens is also bigger, younger, and was drafted higher. Cozens also has a lot more suitors around the league. The bidding for Cozens is already likely well beyond the Frost return.

It's the difference between a potential #1 centre vs a potential #2. Everyone on Buffalo has had awful numbers for the last 2 years, and many teams will be relying heavily on that to explain away Cozens less than spectacular numbers over the last two seasons.

Thing is the longer Buffalo waits here the tougher it's going to make it.

Initially you could brush off 23-24 as just "one bad season"

Now his 24-25 season is trending even worse...

The lack of big RH centers around the league will prop his value up for sure. But I still think the value he's probably being offered by most teams is some like 1st round pick + prospect. If teams were offering drastically more than that he'd be moved already I think.

I'd be shocked if Andersson + Pospisil + pick isn't the best deal they've been offered by far...but Andersson just didn't want to waive.

What other teams are probably looking for a center like Cozens...Nashville, Montreal, Utah, Chicago, Boston, Minnesota, Detroit, Calgary.

So there is a market but I bet it's largely based on futures with any of those teams.

[MacDaddy77]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

When I watch Buffalo, I hardly notice Cozens. What am I missing?

potential

[Geeoff]

Anyone I'd want to trade for Cozens probably has a clause that prevents them from having to go to Buffalo

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Zary
Frost
Cozens
Backs

Is a pretty crazy C grouping if Conny could swing a deal for him. That's 5 to 7 years of locked up top 9 centers.

Are you forgetting Kadri?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Are you forgetting Kadri?

No. I'm assuming that if they're making a real move for Cozens one of Backs or Kadri are being moved in a corresponding set up move. And I doubt they move the captain and it's very convenient that Kadri and Cozens make the same $

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

When I watch Buffalo, I hardly notice Cozens. What am I missing?

Age, handedness, has shown he could produce at a 70p pace once already in his career.

Much like Frost the idea is to free a player from the shackles of their current organization and the gamble is they'll pop.

[dammage79]

It's all moot if Andersson won't waive (don't blame him even if the sell was to play along side young upstart countryman Dahlin) and Buffalo won't budge off Andersson.

Sadly I don't see an avenue where it happens. But, Craig is a patient man.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dammage79

No. I'm assuming that if they're making a real move for Cozens one of Backs or Kadri are being moved in a corresponding set up move. And I doubt they move the captain and it's very convenient that Kadri and Cozens make the same $

It is even more convenient (and good news for the Flames) that Kadri has a NMC and does not want to get moved.

[EVERLAST]

Buffalo....the players hated equivalent to Kentucky Fried Movie.....take him to Buffalo.

Didnt Regher absolutely hate it there?

[Fire]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Zary
Frost
Cozens
Backs

Is a pretty crazy C grouping if Conny could swing a deal for him. That's 5 to 7 years of locked up top 9 centers.

No top end #1 center in that group. It has possibilities but not sure if a Cup is in the future with that group.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I posted in the other thread, but Buffalo rumored ask was for Andersson, Pospisil and a pick the last time things were half serious. Andersson didn't want to waive for Buffalo.

Are you sure it wasn't that the Flames laughed and hung up? Even without the boat anchor Cozens is not that good.