The Tariff Thread

[Reggie Dunlop]

The US tourism industry could be hit pretty hard. Not just the balmy destinations, but border towns and the like. Family visits will be put off too.

[The Yen Man]

Canada and the provinces who were against the pipelines to the east and west have no one to blame but themselves. The whole point of those projects was to help Canada get away from depending too much on one nation or one thing. Hard not to point at these jokers and say we told you so.

We have three coastal lines. There is no excuse that they cannot access ports for their resources. What other country in the world would have this sort of problem?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I don't see how 50% retaliation helps the situation. It just crushes 99% of the Canadian population in the short term who are already battling to survive following our inflation crisis. Maybe the government will expedite some $2000 monthly cheques per person or something to help us out but that just means we will pay for that down the road.

I get laid off during Covid, and then just as my business was starting to do ok, the economy went to ####, I'm finally getting back on my toes, but I have no illusions, that in my new job, if things slide badly economically, due to a somewhat self inflicted recession, if I lose it at my age, its over for me.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

The US tourism industry could be hit pretty hard. Not just the balmy destinations, but border towns and the like. Family visits will be put off too.

I think that was going to happen even without these tarrifs, a sub 70 cent loony is a Florida Party killer.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Canada and the provinces who were against the pipelines to the east and west have no one to blame but themselves. The whole point of those projects was to help Canada get away from depending too much on one nation or one thing. Hard not to point at these jokers and say we told you so.

We have three coastal lines. There is no excuse that they cannot access ports for their resources. What other country in the world would have this sort of problem?

The sheer stupidity of this country that we didn't have a west coast to east coast energy and good corridor that was federally mandated is sheer lunacy.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay

I seriously doubt this has anything to do with Fentanyl. It's just the excuse he's using.



I have a hard time believe big Orange gives any kind of crap for the people who overdose on it.

Exactly. That’s just made up nonsense. Hs trying to destroy our economy then swoop in and pick up the pieces

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Canada and the provinces who were against the pipelines to the east and west have no one to blame but themselves. The whole point of those projects was to help Canada get away from depending too much on one nation or one thing. Hard not to point at these jokers and say we told you so.

We have three coastal lines. There is no excuse that they cannot access ports for their resources. What other country in the world would have this sort of problem?

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Its almost too late to diversify away from the American Market, especially for energy.

There's no way that we will ever be able to build a energy pipeline to the East coast, and there's no way to expand capacity to the West Coast. Even if we could it would probably take decades.

The new transmountain line could have more pumping stations added. That's not a huge adder to capacity but might get another couple hundred thousand barrels a day to tidewater and away from the Americans. It would only take a couple of years to build (if that) since it wouldn't require any new pipe, just new pumping stations. If you shorten the regulatory process on that from "forever" to "6 months and only discuss it with the people directly affected in the local area" then it could be done before Trump is out of office.

It also sends a message to the Americans that I think is helpful.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

We better hope it does, that Mexico and China heavily retaliate, and that our EU and UK "allies" decide to dogpile the US with tariffs as well.

No Canadian response (that doesn't suicide our economy or exports long term) is going to do it alone if he's deadset no matter what we offer on national defence and border security.

The Chinese question has a whole other dimension outside of the Canadian/Mexico issues. There's a massive national security implication there.

[DFO]

Why do so many people focus so intently on O&G in this? It’s only a part of Canada’s economy right? Hell even if all our oil was being exported elsewhere these tariffs would still be crippling to the economy.

[blender]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

What do you want me, or anyone else in Canada, to do about Trump? Yeah, this sucks. Happy?

There's this fun concept, and a lot of you would probably do well to apply this your personal lives, called personal responsibility. You can't control what other people do, only yourself. Canada only had control over our own actions over the last ten years and what did we do? Made ourselves weaker, poorer, and more inept every chance we got. Now we're facing down a trade war with a larger stronger party than us and we have not much effective leverage.

So your solution is the crank the ridiculous crying and bitching up to 11? Good plan; well thought out.

You might need help.

[belsarius]

If Alberta had just capitulated to the NEP in the 80s we would have full self reliance and not be in this position.

But no, if it is against Alberta’s interests it’s the rest of Canadas fault, but if it against the rest of Canadas best interest then it’s also the rest of Canada’s fault.

I swear even Quebec doesn’t have a persecution complex as bad as Alberta.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by DFO

Why do so many people focus so intently on O&G in this? It’s only a part of Canada’s economy right? Hell even if all our oil was being exported elsewhere these tariffs would still be crippling to the economy.

Everyone focuses on their own livelihoods and industry. We just hear and talk about O&G more because that is a major part of our economy and lives. Most of us are in O&G or a related industry or have people very close to us in that industry. If/when O&G takes a hit that means it trickles down to the service industries because people stop shopping or going out or whatever.

If we were on Toronto Puck we would be talking about manufacturing and automotive. If we were on Montreal Puck we would be talking about minerals and maple syrup.

[chummer]

Trump says if we retaliate he will raise the tariffs, Jesus Christ.

[calgarygeologist]

Interesting commentary from CBC's Adrienne Arsenault stating that Canada and Canadians need to come to terms with the geopolitical landscape that Canada might be alone and the rest of the world won't be coming to our defense or aid in this situation and we probably can't expect to turn to deals with the EU or others.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Calgary

Why wouldn’t the feel welcomed? TF did they do?

Is this a serious question?

Look how red this map is.

At least here in AB, pretty good chance if they are crossing the land border they are from a red state, and likely cast a vote for Trump. Does it mean if I meet any here I am going to fight them or even confront them about it? No. But #### the US at this point. 1/3 voted for Trump, 1/3 were too lazy to vote but were fine with Trump winning, and only 1/3 voted for Kamala. I'm not giving any of them the benefit of a doubt of being one of the "good ones". There are simply too many.

Literally no one here asked for this, yet Trump is treating this like some stupid-ass American football game he must win at all costs. Win what exactly? Nothing but sick pleasure for him. Disgusting narcissistic psychopath that should have met his maker on that fateful day.

Wife and I booked a trip to Vegas a while ago to fly out in a few weeks for her bday gift, but I've never felt more ashamed in my life to go on a trip since it's non-refundable. But after that, we are done with as much American travel or products as we can. Went to the store yesterday and I spent a good while looking at each and every product to make sure it was Canadian made and not an American product. I hope to see more people follow suit in that regard.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Interesting commentary from CBC's Adrienne Arsenault stating that Canada and Canadians need to come to terms with the geopolitical landscape that Canada might be alone and the rest of the world won't be coming to our defense or aid in this situation and we probably can't expect to turn to deals with the EU or others.

I didn't hear her say anything about not expecting to deal with the EU. She seems quite pragmatic about keeping all options open to mitigate the losses.

[Suave]

I can't see this lasting too long, American's will be in world of hurt as well. How is California, the Carolina's and Florida supposed to rebuild without Canadian lumber. Food prices, which are already a point of contention, are set to increase dramatically. Mexico is the top exporter of food to America, plus farmers need Canadian Potash and Mexican labour, then you have to add in the increase in fuel prices. All economies will suffer resulting in a quick negotiation to eliminate these needless tariffs.

[KelVarnsen]

The USA failing to actually punish Trump for his crimes has truly become a global problem.

[Azure]

70-80% of the potash the US uses comes from Canada, and the US is a month or so away from seeding season starting.

Can't wait to see how that will work.