[News] Flyers, 76ers announce plans for new arena

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Lewis_D

Have you ever been outside of Canada/USA lol?

Yup. I've spent extensive time outside of North America. I've enjoyed traveling the world but living in most parts of the world is not my cup of tea. I generally would want to live in a house < 10 years old or one (if older) is significantly renovated up to current year standards. I like to keep up with trends and technology and really value that in the home I live as that is where I spend most of my time outside of traveling.

I offered my parents to demolish their house and rebuild them a new one as it was about 30 years old. They refused as they were attached to the home and underwent an extensive renovation job which has turned out to be a complete waste of money as the house is now even more awful as what it needed was an actual rebuild rather than putting lipstick on a pig. Now we have to wait about another 10 years for their renovations to get fully depreciated so that we can finally tear it down and rebuild a new home for them.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Locke

Must be nice to have an NBA team to share principle tenancy with.

NHL Team: "We need a new arena!"

"What was that? Did you hear something? Wait...are you guys still here?"

NBA Team: "We need a new arena!"

"Yes sir. Absolutely sir. Right away sir!" *sounds of construction begin*

Nothing to do with NBA vs. NHL really IMO. The must be nice is, "must be nice" to be able to get double the benefit from two premier tenants for the capital investment vs. only having one premier tenant when investing in a building.

[getbak]

I've noticed that fewer tours seem to be skipping the Saddledome since the agreement to build the new arena was finalized. I guess those problems with the roof miraculously fixed themselves.

If you compare the arenas' upcoming events calendars, virtually every concert that is playing Rogers Place is playing the Saddledome.

The only exceptions are: In April, Bush is playing Rogers Place but they're playing Grey Eagle in Calgary... so, not a venue problem. In July, Katy Perry is playing Edmonton and not Calgary, but Shania Twain is playing Calgary and not Edmonton. Plus, that's the only Saddledome concert announced for Stampede so far. There will likely be at least 2 or 3 more. Tate McCrae is playing Edmonton in August with nothing announced for Calgary, but given this is her home town, I wouldn't be surprised to see her do something here. Maybe at the new "Cowboys" park. In September, Keith Urban is playing Calgary but not Edmonton.

Of all the concerts announced for 2025 so far, Edmonton is getting two shows that Calgary isn't, and Calgary is getting two shows that Edmonton isn't.

[Enoch Root]

I would be willing to bet that STHs, as a group, are a lot more in favour of a new building than others are.

When you're asking people to pay a large chunk of coin to come and attend events, that building has to be up to date with respect to comfort, amenities, technology, etc. Having a building that is 'fine', which is basically code for not fine, just isn't good enough. It's an entertainment product that is for sale, it needs to be enticing.

As for trying to compare historic, ancient buildings with 30 year old concrete blocks (which are designed as disposable) is pretty hilarious - they aren't the same thing at all.

[butterfly]

I wonder if Philadelphia fans got this indignant when Calgary announced a new arena.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I would be willing to bet that STHs, as a group, are a lot more in favour of a new building than others are.

When you're asking people to pay a large chunk of coin to come and attend events, that building has to be up to date with respect to comfort, amenities, technology, etc. Having a building that is 'fine', which is basically code for not fine, just isn't good enough. It's an entertainment product that is for sale, it needs to be enticing.

As for trying to compare historic, ancient buildings with 30 year old concrete blocks (which are designed as disposable) is pretty hilarious - they aren't the same thing at all.

Yes. Absolutely. That is why the new Flames arena is getting built.

But all this bogus talk about "needs" to be replaced, and how it'll spur development, and be good for the community is all hogwash. The new arena is simply a way for the owners to make more money, and for rich people to enjoy watching sports more comfortably.

The arena doesn't benefit most Calgarians/Albertans.

I just wish people would cut the crap when talking about all the community benefits of the new arena and how the old one had to come down. Templehof airport in Berlin operated for like 90 years.

[mogg]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Costs more to repair, maintain and bring to current day standards.



Yes so do I. As a tourist. But you wouldn't live in a house that's 200 years old. Sports teams dont have Stadiums that are 100 years old.

It's impossible to keep up the maintenance and repair. Costs a fortune to bring everything up to current day standards.

People live and work in buildings right here in Canada that are several hundred years old (I know some). I have personally lived in buildings here that are over one hundred years old, in neighbourhoods of the same age; they’re the best homes I’ve ever had. They’re still there. People would be apoplectic if we started demolishing them. There are literally medieval-era buildings in other western democracies that are still in use with all the fixings- internet and everything. Arenas are one thing but other buildings? Come on.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by konradical

Philly plopped 3 sporting arena/stadiums around massive parking lots, it was bound for the arena to leave. Its just around a parking wasteland which was fashionable back in the day. Especially in a city like Philly that is extremely urban and populated having it in downtown and apart of the fabric will make this way better.

I dont think this has that much to do with the state of the arena as it does with location. Having done to MSG, Centre Bell or Chase Centre (all different ages for arenas) they are great because they are in way better locations and apart of the city.

I'm pretty sure this deal is a new arena at the sports complex in South Philly.

If I'm not mistaken the East Market Street project gets cancelled as part of this and is replaced with a different investment.

And when I was in Philly when they had the express lines going it was a about a 15 minute transit ride from City Hall to the stadium district...so not too bad.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Yup. I've spent extensive time outside of North America. I've enjoyed traveling the world but living in most parts of the world is not my cup of tea. I generally would want to live in a house < 10 years old or one (if older) is significantly renovated up to current year standards. I like to keep up with trends and technology and really value that in the home I live as that is where I spend most of my time outside of traveling.

I offered my parents to demolish their house and rebuild them a new one as it was about 30 years old. They refused as they were attached to the home and underwent an extensive renovation job which has turned out to be a complete waste of money as the house is now even more awful as what it needed was an actual rebuild rather than putting lipstick on a pig. Now we have to wait about another 10 years for their renovations to get fully depreciated so that we can finally tear it down and rebuild a new home for them.

You live a completely unsustainable life. Just unbelievable. Let me guess, O & G?

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I wonder if Philadelphia fans got this indignant when Calgary announced a new arena.

Another wonderful point, I guess?

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Yes so do I. As a tourist. But you wouldn't live in a house that's 200 years old. Sports teams dont have Stadiums that are 100 years old.

Okay sure 200 years but you're talking 30 years for a home and entire community to be razed to the ground and redone. This house is 35 years old, it should be torn down in five years? Why?

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

You live a completely unsustainable life. Just unbelievable. Let me guess, O & G?

Chiropractor.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Yes. Absolutely. That is why the new Flames arena is getting built.

But all this bogus talk about "needs" to be replaced, and how it'll spur development, and be good for the community is all hogwash. The new arena is simply a way for the owners to make more money, and for rich people to enjoy watching sports more comfortably.

The arena doesn't benefit most Calgarians/Albertans.

I just wish people would cut the crap when talking about all the community benefits of the new arena and how the old one had to come down. Templehof airport in Berlin operated for like 90 years.

Of course it does, that's ridiculous

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Of course it does, that's ridiculous

Please list the benefits most Calgarians get by spending several hundred million dollars on the new rink that the old rink didn't provide.

Key word is most.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Please list the benefits most Calgarians get by spending several hundred million dollars on the new rink that the old rink didn't provide.

Key word is most.

You contributed several hundred million dollars?

I don't have what the actual numbers are, but I vaguely remember someone saying it works out to like $9 or $10 per person (probably higher than that).

Do you not feel that having a facility in your city that will attract events (like the 2027 WJCs for starters) has any benefits for the average Calgarian? At that cost, do you not foresee any value to you and your family?

[jaydub74]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

You live a completely unsustainable life. Just unbelievable. Let me guess, O & G?

Just put him on ignore, the guy is off base regularly. If we replaced every house in Calgary because it was 30 years old we'd be eliminated 50% of homes in Calgary (probably more)... start listing communities the list will be extensive.

50 plus years I can see some argument. We're seeing that in inner city like Marda Loop, but the majority of those homes were built in the 1950s (70 years old) and many of them are still in great condition. They're being taken down to increase density, not necessary because they've reached end of life.

Guy is ignorant, his opinion on this topic is completely unsustainable and wasteful.

Add me to the team who thinks the Saddledome is fine, it holds events, people go. Good enough.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Do you not feel that having a facility in your city that will attract events (like the 2027 WJCs for starters) has any benefits for the average Calgarian? At that cost, do you not foresee any value to you and your family?

As a taxpayer funding this project will we get access to the building during these events? Even for a discount? Calgary is 1.5million people, the "average" Calgarian probably doesn't give two craps about the 2027 world Juniors. Public library, City of Calgary Recreation/Swimming facilities, Public skating rink and outdoor rinks in the winter etc offer much more value to my family than a professional NHL arena ever will.

The 350(?)million the province of Alberta is contributing to the rink would be much better served.. literally anywhere else. Build the green line.

[jaydub74]

Originally Posted by BigThief

As a taxpayer funding this project will we get access to the building during these events? Even for a discount? Calgary is 1.5million people, the "average" Calgarian probably doesn't give two craps about the 2027 world Juniors. Public library, City of Calgary Recreation/Swimming facilities, Public skating rink and outdoor rinks in the winter etc offer much more value to my family than a professional NHL arena ever will.

The 350(?)million the province of Alberta is contributing to the rink would be much better served.. literally anywhere else. Build the green line.

This is bang on, most could care less about the world Jrs. or a specific concert. Public funds should be spent on public access facilities and not for-profit business.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by jaydub74

This is bang on, most could care less about the world Jrs. or a specific concert. Public funds should be spent on public access facilities and not for-profit business.

Enoch Root should spend an hour downtown tomorrow morning asking anyone who walks by if they're excited for the "2027 World Juniors". Ask 100 people, how many will know? One.. two?

[Scrambler]

Originally Posted by BigThief

As a taxpayer funding this project will we get access to the building during these events? Even for a discount? Calgary is 1.5million people, the "average" Calgarian probably doesn't give two craps about the 2027 world Juniors. Public library, City of Calgary Recreation/Swimming facilities, Public skating rink and outdoor rinks in the winter etc offer much more value to my family than a professional NHL arena ever will.

The 350(?)million the province of Alberta is contributing to the rink would be much better served.. literally anywhere else. Build the green line.

And lower or consistent proerty taxes, and or a higher more reaonable entry point into the Fair Entry program*

*A family of 4 (like mine) has to make less than povery line to qualify for that. Was shocked after a miserable yesar of income 2021-22 how low that bar is.

In the meantime, my house had $20k uninsured hail damage from Aug 2024, but city said my house went up $19k in value for a higher tax burden on a higher property tax rate. Fml...

But back on point, I do recall when they built Wells Fargo stadium. Watching a game, they panned from under construction site to the Wachovia Spectrum where the game was getting played.