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Old 01-08-2025, 03:51 PM   #41
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Really sucks. I hope he gets to play again this season. He’s been progressing so well and has looked like a legit center.

If he is out for the rest of the season, I wonder how that affects his contract negotiations this summer. I hope that it doesn’t but if his injury is serious I could see management pivot to a bridge contract to see if the injury affects his play. I really hope Conroy does not go that route. Would rather sign him long term.
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Old 01-08-2025, 04:50 PM   #42
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Old 01-08-2025, 04:53 PM   #43
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When Zary was on the ice, it looked like he reached for the trainers hand to grab on and hold it. I assume he's a pretty tough guy, and the pain was one thing, but those guys also often seem to know when they've sustained a bad injury and the mental devastation in the moment is likely high.

That's reading way too much into a small injury, but it reminded me of Maël Henry's reaction when he went down for the Cavs - a young guy finally making his mark that has realized he just suffered a long term setback.
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I don't know, it's a penalty but I struggle with whether it would be a different reaction from the fanbase if this was happening to a player on another team.

He held his line and Zary did try to open him up which put everything off line...don't see any malice in the play or a huge intent to take the knee out. A 5 min major seems right in this case and I wouldn't expect a lengthy suspension.
I was responding to a guy who said "maybe a 2 min penalty"
which was a joke of a take

Like I said guys play D for 20 years in the league and don't go knee on knee with a guy like that. Seems it happens often to jobbers. Intentional or not you are responsible as the hitter.
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Old 01-08-2025, 06:06 PM   #45
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Sucks but hopefully he will be good to go for camp next year.

By luck, my girlfriend had ACL surgery in Toronto (fell playing tennis) and the surgeon who operated on her is the same guy who looks after the Leafs and Blue Jays. I met him. Great guy. Wish Zary could see him.

Her rehab has been good but Zary's injury might be worse.
That doctor is the team physician, he likely doesn’t actually operate on the players on those teams. NHL guys are generally coming down to the US when they’re actually getting on the operating table, so solid chance that if the swelling isn’t too bad, he stays down in the US.

Wouldn’t be surprised if with the team having just played in Anaheim and supposed have played in LA tonight, he’s going straight to Neal ElAttrache and maybe stays in LA to get surgery when the swelling goes down. Guy is one of the best knee surgeons in the world.
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Old 01-08-2025, 07:06 PM   #46
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Helleson definitely stuck his knee out immediately prior to the collision, and the position of his knee relative to the rest of his body made a knee on knee contact inevitable, because no other part of his body could have contacted Zary before the knee. It may have not been intentional, but he modified his body position in such a way that no other outcome was possible.

Looking at the video, the way his knee bent and the way he clutched the back of his knee, it looks like a PCL and likely MCL tear. The ACL might actually be OK, which would be good news.
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Old 01-08-2025, 07:43 PM   #47
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When Zary was on the ice, it looked like he reached for the trainers hand to grab on and hold it. I assume he's a pretty tough guy, and the pain was one thing, but those guys also often seem to know when they've sustained a bad injury and the mental devastation in the moment is likely high.

That's reading way too much into a small injury, but it reminded me of Maël Henry's reaction when he went down for the Cavs - a young guy finally making his mark that has realized he just suffered a long term setback.
Yup. As soon as I saw Zary grab the trainer's hand (or vise versa), I immediately assumed it was really bad. When it's pain, you tough it out. But when you know it's serious, you react differently.
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Really sucks for him that it happened in a contract year as well.
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Old 01-08-2025, 09:32 PM   #49
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I still have an opinion that it's minor structural knee damage, and that the impact was higher up Zary's leg than the acl and mcl is, based on where he grabbed.

Thus the "no bone break" of the kneecap, or of the leg, and may instead have a pretty bad bruise just above the knee cap.

I've blown my ACL and mcl and the pain was a lot lower than where he was grabbing.

Who knows though, hoping for the best.
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Honest q: If this hit was on McDavid, would there be a suspension?
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Honest A: You betcha.
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Honest q: If this hit was on McDavid, would there be a suspension?
More likely a crucifixion.
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lol, true that.
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Old 01-08-2025, 11:44 PM   #54
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More likely a crucifixion.
Woah woah woah, hang on, but there’s no double standard in the NHL I thought Jay?

This should be a suspension and honestly if there’s ligament tears may cost Zary millions. Some of these knee injuries can make once prominent NHLers not the same.
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If it was McDavid Sportsnet would be on suicide watch.
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Old 01-09-2025, 12:46 AM   #56
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Woah woah woah, hang on, but there’s no double standard in the NHL I thought Jay?
The league wouldn't be conducting the crucifixion. The media would.

The league's problem is not so much double standards as having no standards at all.
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I still have an opinion that it's minor structural knee damage, and that the impact was higher up Zary's leg than the acl and mcl is, based on where he grabbed.

Thus the "no bone break" of the kneecap, or of the leg, and may instead have a pretty bad bruise just above the knee cap.

I've blown my ACL and mcl and the pain was a lot lower than where he was grabbing.

Who knows though, hoping for the best.
Based on how the leg moved/bent it is at least the MCL.
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Old 01-09-2025, 11:42 AM   #58
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The one positive here is that this injury may be what finally gets Stromgren a cup of coffee at the NHL level. Kid deserves a chance and a taste of action might be what brings out highest level in him.
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Old 01-09-2025, 11:43 AM   #59
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No word yet on the imaging?
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Old 01-09-2025, 11:53 AM   #60
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Would be quite surprised….if the “dreaded triad” is not the diagnosis.

Torn MCL, ACL and Medial Meniscus cartilage.
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