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[Goriders]

Scoronato is starting to turn into a possession machine. He’s finally figured out how to make space for himself and get his shot off. He also sets up a lot of plays.

I remember watching him in Penticton 2 years ago. I didn’t think he stood out physically. But what was obvious was that he wanted the puck. You could tell his niche was scoring when it mattered.

That something this organization is short of. He is going to be a very important player in the years to come. Zary seems to be very similar.

[Junglist]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Scoronato is starting to turn into a possession machine. He’s finally figured out how to make space for himself and get his shot off. He also sets up a lot of plays.

I remember watching him in Penticton 2 years ago. I didn’t think he stood out physically. But what was obvious was that he wanted the puck. You could tell his niche was scoring when it mattered.

That something this organization is short of. He is going to be a very important player in the years to come. Zary seems to be very similar.

Do you mean last year, he was not at the 2022 Penticton tournament due to him being a college player.

[Goriders]

He wasn’t there this summer (2024) he was there the summer before (2023). That was the first one I went to.

[cannon7]

Wolf needs to work on closing the door with the lead. Second game in recent memory where he let the bad guys back in the game in the third. Team in front of him wasn't doing him any favors, though.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I had to review the conditions again because of how convoluted they are. If I’m reading it correctly there are 2 likely outcomes right now:

1) Flames and Florida both finish above the bottom 10 teams, Montreal gets the better of the 2 picks which will end up being Calgarys (more than likely)

2) Flames finish in the bottom 10 and Florida finishes above the bottom 10, Montreal gets Floridas pick.

That is a very poor management decision. You’re betting on your team to be bad and if/when your team exceeds expectations you’re punished by having a worse draft pick. I don’t know how much NHL players look at GMs actions but if that was something my boss did I would be deflated and frustrated.

I look at it as Treliving protecting the pick so they didn’t lose a top 10 pick. Without the conditions, this pick would just be going to Montreal no matter where they finish.

It’s giving up a first rounder that chaps me in the first place. It would have been nice if he could have just negotiated that the lesser of the two picks goes to Montreal but unfortunately he had a fixation on Kadri.

It’s weird on one hand you can say Montreal had him over a barrel because no teams had cap space. Yet somehow Kadri was still unsigned so the same logic should have applied to that negotiation.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I had to review the conditions again because of how convoluted they are. If I’m reading it correctly there are 2 likely outcomes right now:

1) Flames and Florida both finish above the bottom 10 teams, Montreal gets the better of the 2 picks which will end up being Calgarys (more than likely)

2) Flames finish in the bottom 10 and Florida finishes above the bottom 10, Montreal gets Floridas pick.

That is a very poor management decision. You’re betting on your team to be bad and if/when your team exceeds expectations you’re punished by having a worse draft pick. I don’t know how much NHL players look at GMs actions but if that was something my boss did I would be deflated and frustrated.

This is the trade broken down as simply as I could understand it


Step 1: The First Option (2024 Draft)

• If Calgary’s first pick in 2024 is between 20 and 32, Montreal can choose to swap it for the later pick they were originally going to get. They have until 48 hours before the 2024 draft to decide.

Step 2: What Happens if Montreal Doesn’t Swap (2025 Draft)

• If Montreal doesn’t swap in Step 1, it depends on where Calgary and Florida’s picks land in 2025:

1. Scenario A: If both Calgary and Florida’s picks aren’t in the top 10, Montreal gets the earlier of the two picks.
2. Scenario B: If Calgary’s pick is in the top 10, Montreal gets Florida’s pick instead.

Step 3: What If Florida’s Pick Isn’t Available (2025 Draft)

If Florida’s pick doesn’t go to Calgary:

• Scenario A: Montreal gets Calgary’s pick, unless:

1. Calgary’s pick isn’t in the top 10,
   
2. Florida’s pick is better than Calgary’s and was traded away,
   
3. Then, Montreal also gets Calgary’s 4th-round pick in 2025.

• Scenario B: If Calgary’s pick is in the top 10:

1. Montreal gets Calgary’s pick unless it’s the #1 overall pick.
   
2. If it’s #1 overall, Montreal gets Calgary’s 3rd-round pick in 2025 and a first-round pick in 2026 (the better one between Calgary’s and Florida’s).

[Puppet Guy]

Missed the game 'cause I was in a class, but since there's plenty of Muppets in the gif parade:

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I look at it as Treliving protecting the pick so they didn’t lose a top 10 pick. Without the conditions, this pick would just be going to Montreal no matter where they finish.

It’s giving up a first rounder that chaps me in the first place. It would have been nice if he could have just negotiated that the lesser of the two picks goes to Montreal but unfortunately he had a fixation on Kadri.

It’s weird on one hand you can say Montreal had him over a barrel because no teams had cap space. Yet somehow Kadri was still unsigned so the same logic should have applied to that negotiation.

Not quite, as the Islanders reportedly had an offer on the table for slightly less that Kadri and his agent were sitting on while Brad told his agent to hold on while he worked on cap space.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Wolf needs to work on closing the door with the lead. Second game in recent memory where he let the bad guys back in the game in the third. Team in front of him wasn't doing him any favors, though.

Think that was the real problem.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I look at it as Treliving protecting the pick so they didn’t lose a top 10 pick. Without the conditions, this pick would just be going to Montreal no matter where they finish.

It’s giving up a first rounder that chaps me in the first place. It would have been nice if he could have just negotiated that the lesser of the two picks goes to Montreal but unfortunately he had a fixation on Kadri.

It’s weird on one hand you can say Montreal had him over a barrel because no teams had cap space. Yet somehow Kadri was still unsigned so the same logic should have applied to that negotiation.

Oh absolutely he was protecting the picks from being top 10, but I would think that if you had offered Floridas first in 2025 that the trade would have been accepted all the same. It seems like Treliving paid a very heavy price for risk control, especially if we lose an 11th overall pick because of it.

I still think assuming your team will finish bottom 10 and getting protection written into the conditions sends a poor message to the players (if they care).

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

The score being a bit close for comfort was not on Wolf, but at the same time he can be better (by his standards).

I think that's fair to say.

He's had two great 40 minute spans and two pretty average 20 minutes to close out. That composure will come though.

Still our best player this season IMO.

[stemit14]

Zary is looking really good at center IMO. Not worried about the faceoffs this year as that takes time… virtually every young player struggles with faceoffs to start their career. He’s poised with the puck and making smart plays in all 3 zones. Right now, he makes fewer mistakes than Kadri or Backlund. It could be that he’s getting sheltered matchups at home but he’s impressing so far at centre. Right now, I think he has a good chance to be a solid, skilled 2nd line center in this league. Which is a massive development for this organization.

Coronato looks equally impressive. I know the team is still leaning heavily on the vets (Huberdeau, Kadri, Backlund and Coleman) up front but it’s great to see Zary and Coronato doing so well. They are the offensive drivers whenever they are on the ice.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I still think assuming your team will finish bottom 10 and getting protection written into the conditions sends a poor message to the players (if they care).

Ever since the debacle when Toronto wound up trading Tyler Seguin to Boston for Phil Kessel, 1st-round picks have nearly always had lottery protection attached. It's not about sending a message to the players, it's about sending a message to ownership. The message is, ‘Don't fire me, I'm not that stupid.’

[MrMike]

And how about Huberdeau.

Man looks like he’s adjusting and getting it going.

To me he’s the key to how fast this “retool or rebuild” goes

Wolf played great, refs played us out of a 5-1 game

Only player that stood out for me negatively was Bean, I thought he was down right awful

[N-E-B]

Dusty Bangs with another great performance. D-Bangs for Calder. Lets go.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Zary is looking really good at center IMO. Not worried about the faceoffs this year as that takes time… virtually every young player struggles with faceoffs to start their career. He’s poised with the puck and making smart plays in all 3 zones. Right now, he makes fewer mistakes than Kadri or Backlund. It could be that he’s getting sheltered matchups at home but he’s impressing so far at centre. Right now, I think he has a good chance to be a solid, skilled 2nd line center in this league. Which is a massive development for this organization.

Coronato looks equally impressive. I know the team is still leaning heavily on the vets (Huberdeau, Kadri, Backlund and Coleman) up front but it’s great to see Zary and Coronato doing so well. They are the offensive drivers whenever they are on the ice.

If the Flames get a couple more Zary/Coronato-caliber forwards out of the crop they drafted last June then things are going to start looking up from a talent perspective. The superstar guy every one is clamoring is most likely to be had in the 2026/2027 drafts.

But I'm liking the way the supporting cast is shaping up. Those guys are for real and will only get better. It feels good to have talent home-grown instead of bought through UFA, or however the former, direly impatient regimes did it.

Getting the bulk of a player's best years and being the team to hand pick them is always better.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Dusty Bangs with another great performance. D-Bangs for Calder. Lets go.

Great? I mean… assuming I understand the bizarre nickname correctly.. It was fine.

I feel like this guy could glue macaroni on a card and spray paint it gold and some people here would want to hang it in the Louvre

[ballin]

Scoranato reminds me more and more of cammi. He doesent have the knee down one timer yet or at all but the kid can whip the puck. It maybe his height but for me it’s hard not to see some cammi in him

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Wolf needs to work on closing the door with the lead. Second game in recent memory where he let the bad guys back in the game in the third. Team in front of him wasn't doing him any favors, though.

Go look at the saves he couldn’t make when the Hawks were pushing back.

Which was the one you’d put on Wolf? The 5 on 3 goal that both Andersson and Weegar failed to defend a cross seam pass for a tap in?

The rebound where our defence didn’t clear anyone?

100% the team faltering, not our beautiful tendy.

[Goriders]

I think they all played a part. They were opening xmas presents when it was 5-1. Completely took their foot off the gas. No idea why teams do that.