[PGT] Tampa douses the Flames 8-3.

[transplant99]

He has played in 16 games this year.

29 have played that many or more this year league wide.

24th in wins

27th in save %

27th GAA

He is what he is.

[DeluxeMoustache]

^ Laughable. This is a bottom of the league cap spending team that has to have tremendous attention to detail to stay in games. Their breakdowns this past several games have been egregious

Wolf is 0-3 in his last 3 with 14 GA, Vladar is 1-1-1 in his last 3 with 15 GA

They are what they are. Good goalies on a bad team

There is a guy in Boston with the same save percentage as Vladar this year that just also had a 8 GA outing and is signed for 8 years at 8.25 million

Goalies stats are not independent from team play, my friend

[dino7c]

Wolf is a rookie...Vladar looks like a career backup at best if we are being honest, not his fault all the time but also nothing special so far.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I turned this one off when it was 4-1. Got mildly interested when I checked in the intermission and saw that the Flames scored two to make it 4-3. Saw the quick goal at the beginning of the third and promptly turned it off again. Glad I missed the rest of that one.

Oh well, bring on the....defending Stanley Cup Champion Panthers???!!! ####.

Maybe the Flames will catch them off guard since they've been winning so much lately. What's that you say? They're losing 3-0 to Vancouver as we speak??? Double ####.

Well, I guess we will see which team hates to lose more on Saturday. It might get ugly.

You can pretty much turn it off once the other team gets to 4.

[madmike]

Getting close to getting their own 1st round pick back. The only real negative I see from this stretch is it’s killing Vladar’s trade value. At this point they’d be lucky to get a 5th for him.

[Rhett44]

I find it odd that there has been so much criticism towards Vladar and Wolf over the last week.

Be honest with yourselves, they have both played amazing overall this season. And with league average goaltending, we are probably a bottom 5 team in the league this year.

This is not a good team, there is not much skill and we have a scoring problem. But they try hard, have to give them credit for that.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I find it odd that there has been so much criticism towards Vladar and Wolf over the last week.

Be honest with yourselves, they have both played amazing overall this season. And with league average goaltending, we are probably a bottom 5 team in the league this year.

This is not a good team, there is not much skill and we have a scoring problem. But they try hard, have to give them credit for that.

Their GAAA is 3.9 and -6.7 respectively.

Which suggests they are slightly below average combined.

They have come down to earth recently.

Not sure why they have been running with Vladar recently.

If the plan was to increase his trade value, the opposite has occurred. For Vladar, this year hasn't been any different than his past years.

They are 3 points out of 10th spot. Their goal differential is bottom 10.

Unless Wolf stands on his head all season, the Flames are likely heading to the bottom 10.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

^ Laughable. This is a bottom of the league cap spending team that has to have tremendous attention to detail to stay in games. Their breakdowns this past several games have been egregious

Wolf is 0-3 in his last 3 with 14 GA, Vladar is 1-1-1 in his last 3 with 15 GA

They are what they are. Good goalies on a bad team

There is a guy in Boston with the same save percentage as Vladar this year that just also had a 8 GA outing and is signed for 8 years at 8.25 million

Goalies stats are not independent from team play, my friend

It is laughable because its so bad.

You are acting like its some small sample size with Vladar.....its year 4 of his act here,

92 games played now in his career.

3.09 GAA

.892 Save%

Of the 58 G's that have played 80 or more since he came into the NHL, those numbers rank

58th in save % (literally the worst)

43rd in GAA

"Good goalie".....OK then.

[Erick Estrada]

I would be kind of surprised if many teams have interest in Vladar. He's a below average NHL backup goaltender. I think the Flames can do a lot better next season for the backup or 1B.

[Enoch Root]

Worst game of the season - especially by the defense - and the entire conversation in here is about Vladar, who was the only player who showed up, and kept them in it for 40 minutes.

Blaming Vladar would be laughable if it wasn't so annoying. At least 5 of those goals were wide open net tap ins.

[Enoch Root]

It's a bad team. It's a mostly young and inexperienced defense. Last night was a tough night, they happen. This was expected BY EVERYONE before the season started. But when it happens, and we see the underbelly of a rebuild, everyone loses their #### and wants to throw the goalie under the bus.

I just shake my head at some of the takes in here.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Worst game of the season - especially by the defense - and the entire conversation in here is about Vladar, who was the only player who showed up, and kept them in it for 40 minutes.

Blaming Vladar would be laughable if it wasn't so annoying. At least 5 of those goals were wide open net tap ins.

I'm not blaming Vladar for last night but the constant arguments about his potential get annoying because he's proven to be nothing more than a below average backup goaltender and at 27 years old there's only so long you can hang on to potential.

[Toonage]

Caveat - Last night wasn't entirely his fault.

That said, its kind of poor timing on the back of the LeBrun comment that the Flames aren't looking to be sellers. Cooley is waiting in the A and doing exceptionally well.

If there is a chance to move Vladar for whatever, you do it.

[transplant99]

Yeah...i know stats are stats and can be manipulated in different ways.

But his are what they are and even the eye test tells the same for me.

Labarera loves the guy though, and i have no problem deferring to guys who know the position much better than I do.

But this is not some new or even recent trend with him...his numbers have been poor since day 1 of his NHL career. So many will just ignore that though for some weird reason.

Case in point above^^

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm not blaming Vladar for last night but the constant arguments about his potential get annoying because he's proven to be nothing more than a below average backup goaltender.

This sounds a lot like the people that say 'same old middling Flames' every time they don't like something.

You're talking about people talking about his potential, and to make your case you refer to his past where he was - wait for it - a backup. No one here has ever claimed he is going to be an elite goalie, but allowing him to continue to develop - as all players have to do - doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

He was great last night for 40 minutes. The rest of the team quit playing - why should we criticize him for doing the same?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It's a bad team. It's a mostly young and inexperienced defense. Last night was a tough night, they happen. This was expected BY EVERYONE before the season started. But when it happens, and we see the underbelly of a rebuild, everyone loses their #### and wants to throw the goalie under the bus.

I just shake my head at some of the takes in here.

Ditto.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This sounds a lot like the people that say 'same old middling Flames' every time they don't like something.

You're talking about people talking about his potential, and to make your case you refer to his past where he was - wait for it - a backup. No one here has ever claimed he is going to be an elite goalie, but allowing him to continue to develop - as all players have to do - doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

He was great last night for 40 minutes. The rest of the team quit playing - why should we criticize him for doing the same?

Great....now when does that happen?

[CalgaryFan1988]

Vladar didn't play the greatest but the defence played pretty bad in front of him. On a 2 on 1 the defence is responsible for the pass across (which some of you don't seem to understand for some reason). Not to mention breakaways and turnovers galore.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No one here has ever claimed he is going to be an elite goalie, but allowing him to continue to develop - as all players have to do - doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

Actually many here have claimed that teams are lining up to trade for him. And Conroy is just waiting for the right offer.

I think at 27, Vladar has finished developing. many were holding out hope that his past Failures were based on poor health and I think that was fair. But he looks healthy with the same old results.

[howard_the_duck]

What exactly would Conroy be waiting for to begin selling? I know comments to media are to be taken with a grain of salt, but good gravy. If there were ever a season he should be motivated to sell early (see conditional first), it’s this one.