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[Goriders]

Our top end forwards

Huberdeau $10.5 mill 46 point pace
Kadri $7 mill 49 point pace
Kuzmenko $5.5 mill 30 point pace
Coleman $4.9 mill 33 point pace
Backlund $4.5 mill 33 point pace
Mantha $3.5 mill done for season
Sharangovich $3.1 mill going to $5.75 30 point pace

That’s a lot of cash for very little production.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

9-3-0 home record
3-6-4 road record

top 5 home record, bottom 5 road record

Flames and Canucks are flipped

3-5-3 Canucks at home
10-2-0 Canucks on road

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Our top end forwards

Huberdeau $10.5 mill 46 point pace
Kadri $7 mill 49 point pace
Kuzmenko $5.5 mill 30 point pace
Coleman $4.9 mill 33 point pace
Backlund $4.5 mill 33 point pace
Mantha $3.5 mill done for season
Sharangovich $3.1 mill going to $5.75 30 point pace

That’s a lot of cash for very little production.

It really doesn't matter how much they are paid.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It really doesn't matter how much they are paid.

It sure does if you'd like to get rid of them.

For some of them, makes them untradeable.

For others, it decreases their trade value.

[Goriders]

It’s also $$ that you can’t use on players that might actually contribute offensively

[browna]

Troubling part was Sharangovich, Zary, Kuzmenko and Coronato, combined, getting a measly 2 shots on net when the Flames had 32. All had average ice time.

Kadri and Huberdeau had 10 shots on net combined.

3 of those 4 are the "future" of the team. 1 of them also just got paid.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by browna

Troubling part was Sharangovich, Zary, Kuzmenko and Coronato, combined, getting a measly 2 shots on net when the Flames had 32. All had average ice time.

Kadri and Huberdeau had 10 shots on net combined.

3 of those 4 are the "future" of the team. 1 of them also just got paid.

The Sharangovich contract was a bad idea. Guy goes from being a healthy scratch in the playoffs, to shooting 17.3%, and getting a 5 year contract extension a full year before he actually needed it. Other than managing optics for the team (“look, someone wants to be here!”) that Sharangovich contract extension was silly. It’ll probably end up being “fine” value, but I don’t get how you look at his NHL experience and decide to jump in bed with him on a 5 year extension, when he still has one year left on his current deal.

Zary and Coronato will have consistency problems like you noted. Neither of these guys are elite/project to be elite. They’re mid-to-late 1st round picks, they’re doing great for what they are/what their ceiling (likely) is.

Kuzmenko was a healthy scratch cap-dump who the Flames wanted to try and build some value in. It’s not working, but that shouldn’t be a surprise.

None of Sharangovich, Zary, and Coronato are likely to be key pieces for the “future”. They’re all much more likely to be support pieces, and that’s totally fine.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

None of Sharangovich, Zary, and Coronato are likely to be key pieces for the “future”. They’re all much more likely to be support pieces, and that’s totally fine.

Man. If that’s the case the future will be a looooooooong way away. Wolf is probably the goalie of “the future” he’s here now. They might not want to get to far behind his timeline.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Goriders

It’s also $$ that you can’t use on players that might actually contribute offensively

The Flames have cap room for any player that could. Possibly come available, not that they should use it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

It sure does if you'd like to get rid of them.

For some of them, makes them untradeable.

For others, it decreases their trade value.

It really doesn’t except for Huberdeau, who isn’t getting traded. Those “high” salaries aren’t. Not even Kadri’s. $7M is pretty mid.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Man. If that’s the case the future will be a looooooooong way away. Wolf is probably the goalie of “the future” he’s here now. They might not want to get to far behind his timeline.

I assume the theory is that we get multiple top 5 draft picks somehow to be the "peices" that are going to be instantly better than Zary or Coronato.

The chances of that, and then the team ascending to the Cup, are seemingly as likely as loading up with vets at the deadline, squeaking in and getting to the Cup with a run ala Florida 2 years ago or Montreal 4 years ago.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Man. If that’s the case the future will be a looooooooong way away. Wolf is probably the goalie of “the future” he’s here now. They might not want to get to far behind his timeline.

There's nothing they can really do? There's no shortcuts in building a top team. The really good teams, the ones that matter 'forever', they take a good long time to come together.

It's huge having Wolf emerge, but without other top players it won't matter.

Originally Posted by browna

I assume the theory is that we get multiple top 5 draft picks somehow to be the "peices" that are going to be instantly better than Zary or Coronato.

The chances of that, and then the team ascending to the Cup, are seemingly as likely as loading up with vets at the deadline, squeaking in and getting to the Cup with a run ala Florida 2 years ago or Montreal 4 years ago.

It's on Conroy to make sure the team becomes Florida/Tampa/Colorado rather than Montreal.

If we're trying to argue that Zary and Coronato are the cornerstone players who will carry the Flames to the Cup? That's a hell of an optimistic look at those two players.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Kuzmenko absolutely can put at least 3-4 more pucks on net per game.

The prerequisite to goals is shots..

What the hell is this former 40 goal scorer doing out there.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Kuzmenko absolutely can put at least 3-4 more pucks on net per game.

The prerequisite to goals is shots..

What the hell is this former 40 goal scorer doing out there.

This is his 3rd season in the NHL.

Season 1: 39 goals, 35 assist -> Shooting percentage of 27.3%!!!

Season 2 w/ Canucks: Healthy scratch, shooting 12.3%, dumped in a trade after putting up 21 points in 43 games
Season 2 w/ Flames: Rough start, sick, then goes on and shoots at 24.1% to finish the season with the Flames running 25 points in 29 games.

Season 3 w/ Flames: 9 points in 25 games, shooting 3.3%

We shouldn't be talking about Kuzmenko as a player that has realistic lofty expectations. He's inconsistent, and seemingly ineffective when the puck isn't going in 1/4 times...and we know that shooting percentages around 25% are not sustainable.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I don't believe in unsustainable.


(with the exception of the Oilers special teams last year)

[GioforPM]

Kuzmenko was a cap dump - whatever he does aside from that is gravy.

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

and we know that shooting percentages around 25% are not sustainable.

Unless you're Curtis Glencross.

[GioforPM]

I don't need Kuzmenko to sustain a 25% shooting percentage - just ride one to the TDL.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't need Kuzmenko to sustain a 25% shooting percentage - just ride one to the TDL.

At this point the Kuzemenko at the deadline plan sounds like a bust. I'd be happy to trade with with cap retained for a 3rd or a 4th.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

At this point the Kuzemenko at the deadline plan sounds like a bust. I'd be happy to trade with with cap retained for a 3rd or a 4th.

It's a trade either way. But if he goes on a heater that prospect changes a lot.