[Signing] Penguins extend Crosby (2 years, $8.7m AAV)

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

McDavid and Draisaitl have nothing on Crosby.

They take all they can get, dont give a crap about anything else.

Crosby once again proved he knows how to be a team player, the guy is all class.

McDavid and Draisaitl will win nothing because they will be surrounded by scrubs due to cap implications. Which is because of their contract demands.

Its perfect science. E=NG.

I like how they get mad that others teams can poach their young players by offering reasonable contracts, but then turn around and ask for the biggest contracts in the league as well as ensure that buddies Nurse and Brown get paid handsomely.

The overall selfishness is what will keep Sid head and shoulders above those idiots in terms of winning and actual success.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Would've liked to see him end his career in a couple of different jerseys just so satisfy that "what if" side, but it's fine.

[Deegee]

Hockey players have always tried to get maximum value for themselves in every generation. I don't think we should take a couple who haven't from last generation and use that to compare to Drai.

If you were a professional sports player with an unknown career length you would do the same thing.

[bluejays]

The first time around when him and Ovechkin took slightly less it was a marginal discount (estimated if I recall, to be about a 20% discount). He doesn’t need the money having a long career but to me this discount is substantial. I also frankly don’t know why he took that substantial discount as that team is going nowhere and signing a big name or two won’t make a difference, but it’s admirable he did what he did. If he went to free agency I could see a team paying $14M for him for a couple seasons.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Deegee

Hockey players have always tried to get maximum value for themselves in every generation. I don't think we should take a couple who haven't from last generation and use that to compare to Drai.

If you were a professional sports player with an unknown career length you would do the same thing.

You're right, it's already hard enough to live off of 170 million these days but 160 is a back breaker.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by manwiches

This new generation is all about themselves. Ovi/Sid's generation just gets it.

Lebron James is of the exact same generation. He has taken zero discounts to better supplement the team around him. Neither should he. He deserves every penny.

Steph Curry - although just a bit younger - just signed an extension worth $62M+ per season. He could have taken half that and loaded up his team to better position for a title.

The NHLPA and NBAPA would be furious if star players started doing this en masse. That act would entirely undermine their entire efforts and all players salaries as a whole.

[Locke]

What are his Career Earnings?

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Lebron James is of the exact same generation. He has taken zero discounts to better supplement the team around him. Neither should he. He deserves every penny.

Steph Curry - although just a bit younger - just signed an extension worth $62M+ per season. He could have taken half that and loaded up his team to better position for a title.

The NHLPA and NBAPA would be furious if star players started doing this en masse. That act would entirely undermine their entire efforts and all players salaries as a whole.

Not directed at you or anything but in basketball one player can make a major difference. So I wouldn’t expect a star player to take a huge discount because their contribution to the team’s success is that much more (at least imo).

[Shazam]

When do the Flames trade for him?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Think its possible the franchise has a side deal where he can get a portion of ownership in the team after he retires with management positions of some sort? Not salary cap eligible but future considerations?

No, it is not possible.

That would be blatant cap circumvention.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Crosby would never hide in the locker room for a conn smythe presentation

But then again he also wouldn't have lost the game

It's funny...I think if I captained a team that lost in the finals I'd want my team to sit on the bench and watch the other team celebrate.

"See this is what we are playing for"

I think it's happened a couple times when a guy watches the other team celebrate from his bench and I've always respected that. It's what you are playing for.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

No, it is not possible.

That would be blatant cap circumvention.

I’m not sure. Spezza seemed to be goaded into retirement, with plans of being management groomed. It’s not the same thing as getting ownership but with his closeness to Mario I could see something like that being discussed at least.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Lebron James is of the exact same generation. He has taken zero discounts to better supplement the team around him. Neither should he. He deserves every penny.

Steph Curry - although just a bit younger - just signed an extension worth $62M+ per season. He could have taken half that and loaded up his team to better position for a title.

The NHLPA and NBAPA would be furious if star players started doing this en masse. That act would entirely undermine their entire efforts and all players salaries as a whole.

So rich after fans and media proclaimed and predicted discounts would be taken to stay with the team a couple months ago

And then the organization talks about a culture of "taking less for the team".

But ever since the extension: pLaYeRz ShOuLd TaKe zErO dIsCoUnTs!

Yall's gymnastics and goal post moving knows no limits.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I’m not sure. Spezza seemed to be goaded into retirement, with plans of being management groomed. It’s not the same thing as getting ownership but with his closeness to Mario I could see something like that being discussed at least.

Promising a job after retirement that makes, what, $150K/yr? Sure sounds tempting!

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Promising a job after retirement that makes, what, $150K/yr? Sure sounds tempting!

To my knowledge, management contracts can be unlimited. I could see these backhand deals being made. Especially with star player who is admired who won’t get on a podcast and spill the beans.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's more that Sydney Crosby is unique though, nobody else who is a superstar in the league took a discount like him, he's 1 of 1.

Draisaitl was smart to get the bag from Edmonton, personally I love that he took that organization to the woodshed on this contract.

I knew what you meant, and I'm on the same page. Crosby is amazing and don't ever want to hear a deadmonton fan try to compare him to their own money grubbers.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by bluejays

To my knowledge, management contracts can be unlimited. I could see these backhand deals being made. Especially with star player who is admired who won’t get on a podcast and spill the beans.

Even if it came out that you were paying him $3MM/year for management consulting, you'd just say something like "We value the insights Sidney Crosby is bringing to our management group. As one of the most successful Penguins of all time we believe he will be able to help us bring the cup back, and we think his contributions are worthy of the salary."

I mean, the guy has $100MM+, people would understand you can't offer him a $100k/year job, imo.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Locke

What are his Career Earnings?

$144m so far.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by manwiches

Just goes to show you the mindset of their generation vs the new ones (Draisaitl et al). This new generation is all about themselves. Ovi/Sid's generation just gets it. They've already made life changing money. Generations upon generations of their family are taken care of. They know their market value, take less, yet enough not to be disrepectful, so their teams can still build around them.

I will be the first to say I hated Sid when he came into the league, with the constant whining. But he has really grown and embraced the role he has grown into, as a true ambassader of the game.

Sorry, what other star player in that "generation" took a discount? Guys like LeCavalier, Richards, Suter, and Parise made out like bandits with their salaries.

Just because Crosby is the only outlier doesn't mean he was the norm. Even Ovechkin didn't take a discount. He just signed a super long term when it was permissible under the old CBA rules.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Lebron James is of the exact same generation. He has taken zero discounts to better supplement the team around him. Neither should he. He deserves every penny.

Steph Curry - although just a bit younger - just signed an extension worth $62M+ per season. He could have taken half that and loaded up his team to better position for a title.

The NHLPA and NBAPA would be furious if star players started doing this en masse. That act would entirely undermine their entire efforts and all players salaries as a whole.

Both guys you have mentioned also have mitts full of championship rings. Neither needs to win another championship to secure legacy.

Contrarily, it is looking more likely every year that Draisaitl and McDavid will not win. They came uncomfortably close last year but both have since made moves that make repeating less likely, fortunately!