Calgary Flames - Path to Contention

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I still think the Vegas pick could be massive...just have a feeling about it

People were laughing at this, but the offseason hasn't been great for Vegas.

Shea Therdore's contract and the health of Stone are going to be very interesting to watch. AP is getting up there too.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

People were laughing at this, but the offseason hasn't been great for Vegas.

Shea Therdore's contract and the health of Stone are going to be very interesting to watch. AP is getting up there too.

And they were a WC team as is

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

...
Realistically a cup win for us comes in the 2033-2038 timeframe.
...

I recently changed an overdue password
It was FlamesCup2019

I changed it to FlamesCup3019

[Groot]

Next two drafts are going to be key for top-end talent. But for those that think we won't be even close to playoffs for 5+ years, you honestly don't believe we have any prospects that can make any sort of impact within 5 years? Even a top 5 draft pick next year and the year after should have huge impact within that time frame (unless we get Yakupov'd).

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Groot

Next two drafts are going to be key for top-end talent. But for those that think we won't be even close to playoffs for 5+ years, you honestly don't believe we have any prospects that can make any sort of impact within 5 years? Even a top 5 draft pick next year and the year after should have huge impact within that time frame (unless we get Yakupov'd).

We have already missed the playoff 2 years in a row, add in the next 3 that is 5 years.

I can't see the team having any appetite for going 2-3 more years after that.


Once you pick 1st or in the top 3 hopefully in the next 2 draft you have to start building the team to compete.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

I recently changed an overdue password
It was FlamesCup2019

I changed it to FlamesCup3019

Now what's the bank card number that goes with this passcode?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by shutout

Now what's the bank card number that goes with this passcode?

He is overdrawn the card doesn't work.

[CSharp]

Hate to say this but the NHL will gladly build any Canadian team up for contention. Winning the Cup as a Canadian team is pretty much guaranteed to be non-existing for the remainder of my lifetime.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The only Canadian team I care about winning a cup is Calgary. I hope the rest of them suck for the remainder of my lifetime.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I'm looking at our situation and thinking it could be similar to Chicago, but we need the top picks in the next 2 drafts and we can't end up with the Dylan Strome's, Jesse Puljuravi's, Laine's, Dubois's or the many other top 5 picks that just did not pan out. Winning the lottery and picking 1st once would probably be needed and top 3 twice.

Very true. If they hit on top picks in the next few drafts it goes from being a middling team to a very good team. What adds some additional intrigue over the next 2 years is that the Flames are sitting on multiple extra first round picks in both drafts right now, with the chance of adding after going through two trade deadlines.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by TOfan

We don’t need to win the lottery. What we do need is to find/get lucky enough and draft the Draisat’s/Makar’s/Tkachuk’s/Hughes and all the other examples of elite players that seem to go in the top 5 or so picks of the draft. Whether that’s first overall, or otherwise, should be lesser concern. Every year in redrafts we see guys consistently picked lower than where they should have gone. As an example, if in five years from now if the consensus is Parekh should have gone in the top 5, that’s, obviously, what you want.

I decided to do a look back at the 2001-2020 drafts (left out recent drafts...too soon) and did a comparison 1st OV vs the 100+ guys taken after them and who is the best player in their draft. Works out to be 50/50. Most elite players, other than a Panarin or Giordano are drafted players and some years there could be a debate who is better, and each person's opinion is different. I feel I was pretty fair with my evaluation and in some cases the 1OV player is not the best player but it's close.

2001 - Kovalchuk 1OV
2002- Nash 1OV
2003 - Staal/Bergeron/Getzlaf not 1OV
2004 - Ovechkin 1OV (there is only 1OV)
2005 - Crosby 1OV
2006 - Toews not 1OV
2007 - Kane 1OV
2008 - Stamkos 1OV
2009 - Hedman not 1OV
2010 - Seguin/Stone not 1OV
2011 - Miller/JG/Huberdeau/Landeskog not 1OV
2012 - Forsberg not 1OV
2013 - MacKinnon 1OV
2014 - Draisaitl not 1OV
2015 - McDavid 1OV
2016 - Matthews 1OV
2017 - Makar not 1OV
2018 - Q Hughes not 1OV
2019 - J Hughes 1OV
2020 - Stutzle not 1OV

Did not include goalies as you can get franchise goalies later in the draft as they rarely are picked early. It's pretty clear that 1st overall pick isn't a must, but it really is by far the best way to get a true elite superstar. 100's of players vs 1 every year and it's even IMO. We don't need to win the lottery, but it is a game changer if you do.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Groot

Next two drafts are going to be key for top-end talent. But for those that think we won't be even close to playoffs for 5+ years, you honestly don't believe we have any prospects that can make any sort of impact within 5 years? Even a top 5 draft pick next year and the year after should have huge impact within that time frame (unless we get Yakupov'd).

No, even arguably our top prospect right now has proven nothing at the NHL level. Hopefully this year he shows some solid promise.
And
As far as a “top 5 pick next year”…. They will still only be 18 years old, I’m not going to expect them to lead us to greatness in the near future

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

No, even arguably our top prospect right now has proven nothing at the NHL level. Hopefully this year he shows some solid promise.
And
As far as a “top 5 pick next year”…. They will still only be 18 years old, I’m not going to expect them to lead us to greatness in the near future

Not all 18-year-olds are equal though.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I hope the organization doesn't think like this

I hope they do. The Flames have one prospect in Parekh that has top line upside. Even if they pick 1st overall over the next two years they aren't making the playoffs three years from now. If they don't hit out of the park on drafts it will be 5+ years.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I hope they do. The Flames have one prospect in Parekh that has top line upside. Even if they pick 1st overall over the next two years they aren't making the playoffs three years from now. If they don't hit out of the park on drafts it will be 5+ years.

This is the reasonable expectation
Anything quicker is going to require a healthy bit of luck along with careful planning

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

This is the reasonable expectation
Anything quicker is going to require a healthy bit of luck along with careful planning

Yup, if they try and rush it there will just be more Hamonic type trades and Neal signings

[Groot]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

No, even arguably our top prospect right now has proven nothing at the NHL level. Hopefully this year he shows some solid promise.
And
As far as a “top 5 pick next year”…. They will still only be 18 years old, I’m not going to expect them to lead us to greatness in the near future

No prospect has ever proven anything at the NHL level, that's why they are still prospects. The point was to discuss what a potential lineup could look like IF some prospects meet or exceed their ceiling. A top 5 pick next year would be in his D+4 year the year I hoped the team may make a return to being competitive, and the following year draft pick would be D+3. No reason to think that a top 5 pick won't be an impact player in their D+3 or 4 year.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Groot

No prospect has ever proven anything at the NHL level, that's why they are still prospects. The point was to discuss what a potential lineup could look like IF some prospects meet or exceed their ceiling. A top 5 pick next year would be in his D+4 year the year I hoped the team may make a return to being competitive, and the following year draft pick would be D+3. No reason to think that a top 5 pick won't be an impact player in their D+3 or 4 year.

Yep
The prospect I was referring to is Wolf
And
I agree if we are in a playoff spot in 5 years (next summers D+4), I’d consider this rebuild rather successful to that point

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Probably more likely that Huberdeau gets 115 points again than it is that he gets moved. We should hope for that if we are being realistic between the two options.

If Huberdeau can get anywhere near 115 points, he'll be movable.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Not every prospect has to be a superstar, but we have 2 potential ones already.

After that we just need to fill out the roster with good players who can score. We probably have 1 right now.