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Old 06-19-2024, 06:40 AM   #41
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Chicago did it too.

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This doesn’t say “we are about to start a burn down and rebuild”. It says “sorry we’ve sucked but now we are going to get better”.
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Old 06-19-2024, 08:02 AM   #42
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This doesn’t say “we are about to start a burn down and rebuild”. It says “sorry we’ve sucked but now we are going to get better”.
'We're committed to developing young players and rebuilding our roster"
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Old 06-19-2024, 08:09 AM   #43
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They didn't announce that they were going to rebuild. They had just lost the last two big names from their championship years, and admitted that they were already rebuilding.

And they said they were bringing in players ‘via trade and free agency’, which, apparently, is just what no team is ever allowed to do during a rebuild.

‘A culture that embraces the grind of improvement driven by competitors who are relentless, engaged and motivated by a team-first mentality to win.’ That's just a wordier way of saying what Conroy said, that he expects the team to compete. Notice that this does not mean competing for a playoff spot. But it does mean going into every game with the intention of doing your best to win.

It is in no way a declaration that the team was going to sell off its roster and tank.
The press release literally had the word "rebuilding" in it.

I guess it was an admission they were already rebuilding? So Conroy can send next offseason after we finish 6-9th again that we continuing rebuilding the roster
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Old 06-19-2024, 08:37 AM   #44
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I am still very confident that this team is not going scorched earth, but that this is definitely a rebuild. I am going off of Conroy's media availabilities and his actions thus far. The "making the playoffs" is as true as when Feaster caused the stir when he said that the mandate was to "make the playoffs" at his presser after trading Jarome and Bouwmeester. Besides, there is no way the Flames are going to announce a rebuild at least until the shovels are in the ground - and even then, by having so many tax dollars contributing to the building, they may never want to say rebuild.


I guess we will see what happens, but I would be shocked if Conroy went and traded futures for win-now players. I would also be shocked if the Flames become big buyers from the UFA heap. Why? Too many players already. Most importantly, too many waiver-eligible players. I think he has to make a few trades at the draft just to give him some space to reshape the roster.
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Old 06-19-2024, 09:11 AM   #45
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They didn't announce that they were going to rebuild.
"We're committed to developing young players and rebuilding our roster"

No, not a "we're going to tear it down" memo but jayswin said he can't recall the last time a team sent out a memo and I just gave him another example where I remember a team doing it.
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Old 06-19-2024, 09:29 AM   #46
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The press release literally had the word "rebuilding" in it.

I guess it was an admission they were already rebuilding? So Conroy can send next offseason after we finish 6-9th again that we continuing rebuilding the roster
Yes, it says "we have sucked because we're in the process of rebuilding".

Not "get ready for us to suck because we are beginning a rebuild".

Look at it this way - where do you see a team that has two experienced D, no starting goalie and one player with over 60 points finishing next year?
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Old 06-19-2024, 09:35 AM   #47
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In his trades, he made sure to get a player back for now in each one.

Toffoli -> Sharangovich
Lindholm -> Kuzmenko
Hanifin -> Miromanov
Tanev -> Grushnikov

In every trade outside of Zadarov, he pressed a fast forward button - and he even traded the 5th he got in the Big Z trade for a player who has pissed off to the KHL.

Conroy’s only reference to a 3 year plan is when he notes the next 3 years as being important for the amateur scouts because of the returns they’ve gotten in the trades so far (picks in the next 3 years).

He has been retooling. In going back and looking at his year end, I still find it laughable that he cites Dallas. He notes Dallas’ draft (which includes a 4th overall pick), and their free agent work. Nothing about what Conroy says shows any desire to do anything other than what we’ve been doing all these long, painful years.

Conroy is looking for shortcuts. He cites Montreal trading for younger players. I imagine it’s due to ownership, and it is what it is.
Sharngovich was a roster player brought back because we needed another player. This trade was also done in June of 2023, long before any offers had been made to Hanifin, Lindholm and Backlund.

Miramanov is a throw in, not sure how he is a fast forward but ok. Kuzmenko was crap, they brought him in for salary cap purposes and rebuild is value and most likely dump him at the next deadline.

Grushnikov is an AHL player at the moment, who probably has bottom pairing potential in the NHL. I don't really see him pushing the team forward or backwards.

We didn't have the depth in the AHL to plug any of those holes that we traded away. We still need to ice a team and be cap compliant.

So which one of these foundational players are we retooling around?

If he starts doing weird #### like trading picks and prospects we may have an issues. Lets see what the roster looks like in September.
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I think Sharky keeps getting better and ends up being one of those guys that is clutch when needed.

Get him 2 good linemates or see who deserves to play with him because I sense he could drive any line successfully
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