[News] Duehr on waivers. UPD: cleared

[GioforPM]

I've thought Dube has shown a fair degree of hustle lately. No results but it's pretty hard with Ruzicka on the line (Greer is great but he's no point producer).

Dube to me skates pretty hard, but doesn't really have a nose for the net. I think he should watch Coleman's game and pattern it.

[dammage79]

The most frustrating player to me is Ruzicka. When he's on he's a legit top 6 fw. Problem is, you maybe get 20 games a year of top 6 Ruzicka. The Flames have had some ghosts in the past (ghosts as in they disappear for a long long stretch, Rene Bpurque anybody? ) and Roz is creeping up there with the disappearing act.


As for Dube, I'm 100 percent convinced he needs a change of scenery. Do him a favor and send somewhere to get a fresh start.

[blankall]

That 4th line has been invisible. I thought it looked great on paper at the beginning of the season. Lots of size with decent offensive ability and Greer was going to add a lot of energy and jam. Instead, it's just been vanilla and invisible most nights, which is strange, because every other forward in the lineup (except maybe Dube) is contributing and on pace for 40+ points.

IMO Dube's issue is that he's been replaced by guys with just as much energy but who are superior offensively and harder to play against. Dube doesn't have a role when superior version like Pospisal and Zary are already there.

[Naitix]

Ruzicka has not been good since being delegated to the 4th line, but to be fair he has not been given any opportunity to play in the top 6. Anytime there is an open spot up the line up, Dube always gets it and does nothing with it.

Ruzicka is just not a 4th line center, he keeps playing dump and chase and that's just not what he is effective at. He needs to play with creative players that make skilled plays, Dube might be the least creative forward on the team

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Too bad about Duehr, looked good in the role last season and was an easy guy to cheer for, really working hard and bringing energy. This year......woof. Even when he plays I forget he's still part of the team. Just doesn't bring anything to the table. Kind of a shame.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The most frustrating player to me is Ruzicka. When he's on he's a legit top 6 fw. Problem is, you maybe get 20 games a year of top 6 Ruzicka. The Flames have had some ghosts in the past (ghosts as in they disappear for a long long stretch, Rene Bpurque anybody? ) and Roz is creeping up there with the disappearing act.


As for Dube, I'm 100 percent convinced he needs a change of scenery. Do him a favor and send somewhere to get a fresh start.

Last year he was inconsistent but there were clear glimpses into a guy that could be impactful.
This year you have to squint really hard to see that at all.
Which is disappointing.

[jaikorven]

Originally Posted by Naitix

Ruzicka has not been good since being delegated to the 4th line, but to be fair he has not been given any opportunity to play in the top 6. Anytime there is an open spot up the line up, Dube always gets it and does nothing with it.

Ruzicka is just not a 4th line center, he keeps playing dump and chase and that's just not what he is effective at. He needs to play with creative players that make skilled plays, Dube might be the least creative forward on the team

I agree with this. Ruzicka has skill but needs his linemates to also have skill. That is part of his issue. He does still need to be more engaged game to game. No games off.

[SuperMatt18]

Thing is Ruzicka has never looked impactful on the 4th line.

He's only ever looked impactful in the top 6 or 9, and really he hasn't played much on those lines since Jan 1 2023.

And he hasn't earned that promotion either...but really I think I would have put him up with Lindholm before Dube last night.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Duehr was an absolute catalyst last season with his size, grit and shot. I wouldn't call his offence 'lucky' - I thought that offence he generated was well earned from his hard work. This year, I wouldn't say he isn't working hard, but he is pedestrian by any measure. Last year he looked better than a 4th liner, and a player that might rise through the lineup, but this year he has never looked more than simply a tweener.


I actually hope he doesn't get claimed - find his game in the AHL, and then come back up and become a catalyst again at some point. Maybe he is the type of player that needs a coach like Darryl, or to play in a more rigid system. Maybe it was just lightning in a bottle last year.


Treliving seemed to love him last year, however, and even had a press conference in which he mentioned some moves were made to ensure that Duehr gets into the lineup every game. I am trying to remember if that was in-season, or after the season ended. I believe that was in-season. I doubt he puts a claim in, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he did as he spoke glowingly about Duehr. Lots of teams did notice Duehr's play last year. I assume he clears, however.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

IMO 4th liners tend to struggle under Huska. They barely get any ice-time, and have a hard time getting into the games. It still beats playing Lewis-Lucic with in the last 2 mins when protecting a lead.

I think there's more to all of Dube, Duehr, and Ruzicka, but they've all been really struggling playing 9–10 mins a night. I hope Duehr gets his game back in the AHL, or that another team takes a flyer on him and gives him a chance.

Greer seems to still be productive. But for more skilled players it would be tougher to show things with minimal ice time.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Duehr was an absolute catalyst last season with his size, grit and shot. I wouldn't call his offence 'lucky' - I thought that offence he generated was well earned from his hard work. This year, I wouldn't say he isn't working hard, but he is pedestrian by any measure. Last year he looked better than a 4th liner, and a player that might rise through the lineup, but this year he has never looked more than simply a tweener.


I actually hope he doesn't get claimed - find his game in the AHL, and then come back up and become a catalyst again at some point. Maybe he is the type of player that needs a coach like Darryl, or to play in a more rigid system. Maybe it was just lightning in a bottle last year.


Treliving seemed to love him last year, however, and even had a press conference in which he mentioned some moves were made to ensure that Duehr gets into the lineup every game. I am trying to remember if that was in-season, or after the season ended. I believe that was in-season. I doubt he puts a claim in, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he did as he spoke glowingly about Duehr. Lots of teams did notice Duehr's play last year. I assume he clears, however.

He was called up when Ritchie was injured, then when Stone was injured, then he was called up a day after the trade deadline(no roster size restriction).

The only move I can think of was sending Rooney down, but that's unrelated, because it happened long before Duehr's first callup.

[Goriders]

I was wondering when they were going to have to start juggling things to get Pelletier, Kylington and Gilbert back in the lineup. I assumed that’s what this move is about. My guess is Oesterle will be sent down next.

[hillspeak]

I think if Dube were to go on waivers he would pass through. He is an RFA at end of season with arbitration rights this year. The Flames will have to qualify him for I believe $2.4M or let him walk in June.

With teams having limited cap space is anyone planning on adding an under performing player, who has never been consistent ? If they are that opens up $2.3M in Cap Space for the Flames which becomes an asset for us.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Greer seems to still be productive. But for more skilled players it would be tougher to show things with minimal ice time.

He was on fire to start the season, but his play really trailed off after.

Greer:

           GP   G    P   +/-
First      18   4    8    +2
Following  11   2    2    -2
Last       11   0    0    -6

That said, it's consistent with his play in BOS last year. He started strong, and then came down to earth:
Q1: 3G, 7P
Q2: 1G, 1P
Q3: 1G, 2P
Q4: 0G, 2P

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by hillspeak

I think if Dube were to go on waivers he would pass through. He is an RFA at end of season with arbitration rights this year. The Flames will have to qualify him for I believe $2.4M or let him walk in June.

With teams having limited cap space is anyone planning on adding an under performing player, who has never been consistent ? If they are that opens up $2.3M in Cap Space for the Flames which becomes an asset for us.

There is no chance that Dube makes it through waivers.

He is 25 years old, fast, can line up at any forward position, and showed steady progress each season until now.

24 teams in the league have enough cap space to fit Dube onto their roster as of right now, as he's only owed around $1.1-1.2M for the rest of the season.

Putting him on waivers would be giving a team that badly needs depth (e.g. Avs, Sharks, Hawks, Bruins) a free and cheap NHL player.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I guarantee that if you put Dube on waivers right now, he would pass easily. Every team is up against the cap and it's not worth gambling on Dube, despite his potential. Cap hit would still be too high, even pro-rated.

He has 7 points in 42 games...that's it. He's a team worst -13 (despite sheltered minutes). It's been a disaster of a season for him. Nobody is picking him up.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by boogerz

There is no chance that Dube makes it through waivers.

He is 25 years old, fast, can line up at any forward position, and showed steady progress each season until now.

24 teams in the league have enough cap space to fit Dube onto their roster as of right now, as he's only owed around $1.1-1.2M for the rest of the season.

Putting him on waivers would be giving a team that badly needs depth (e.g. Avs, Sharks, Hawks, Bruins) a free and cheap NHL player.

I think it's a 50/50 at this point.

I see a similar trajectory to Yamamoto. He was traded with K. Kostin for FC, then waived the next day by the Red Wings, he cleared, and was bought out. Then SEA signed him for $1.5M in the off-season.

I could see us trading him to the Sharks for Duclair.

[Flamesfan05]

On merit, nobody should claim Dube. He has been terrible and overpaid for what he does

However, the NHL is full of second chances , it’s late in the season, some one may claim and if it doesn’t work out, they can just let him walk next year

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

On merit, nobody should claim Dube. He has been terrible and overpaid for what he does

However, the NHL is full of second chances , it’s late in the season, some one may claim and if it doesn’t work out, they can just let him walk next year

He has been terrible this year, but last year he had 45 points, which was the 4th year in a row that he improved his production. He seemed on the upswing.

I have no idea what happened last year, but the larger body of work, suggests there is a player in there. This year is the anomaly.

[Kolsch]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I guarantee that if you put Dube on waivers right now, he would pass easily. Every team is up against the cap and it's not worth gambling on Dube, despite his potential. Cap hit would still be too high, even pro-rated.

He has 7 points in 42 games...that's it. He's a team worst -13 (despite sheltered minutes). It's been a disaster of a season for him. Nobody is picking him up.

Dube would be picked up in a heartbeat if it wasn't for the world juniors thing hanging over his head. Averaged 39 points the last 2 years, former 2nd round pick and world juniors captain, and known as a positive leader on the Flames. We traded a 2nd round pick for a much worse performing Curtis Lazar...Dube would have similar value but I just don't know how the world juniors thing is perceived.