[PGT] Flames score 4 unanswered and beat Sens 6-3

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

[Sylvanfan]

Flames are scoring a lot more than I thought they would. Getting contributions from 3 lines a lot of nights.

Have to wonder how Jacob Chychryn feels. Asks out of Arizona because they can't sniff the playoffs. Traded to Ottawa who won't be in playoffs this year. Arizona...might make it.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Kuznetsov= BIG!

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Dion

The play of Sheringovich is making Conroy look like a genius for the Toffoli trade.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1744786011857768575

I wouldn't go that far just yet, but Sharangovich has definitely found his scoring touch. I still think he has a lot to work on, but he's looking better and better.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Playoffs…Tank. Playoffs…Tank.

I’m so confused.

Nothing confusing here. They play like a middle of the road team that will struggle to get a playoff spot.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

They need to string games together since every other team is doing that.

Not expecting it, but if they show the moxy they did this evening against not just the good teams, they should be in it at least until the last couple weeks.

Meaningful hockey is more fun. Hopefully we trade our guys and still get to enjoy meaningful hockey after the fact. That's the dream.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

https://twitter.com/user/status/1744786011857768575

I wouldn't go that far just yet, but Sharangovich has definitely found his scoring touch. I still think he has a lot to work on, but he's looking better and better.

I find these type of stats rarely match what I'm watching.

And it isn't because of some bias - I find that for basically all players. I think these stats stink.

I mean, pretty much all of us agree that Sharangovich has been one of the Flames' best forwards this year - some think THE best.

[Groot]

Sharangovich now has 14 goals and 13 assist in 40 games.

Tyler Toffoli has 16 goals and 12 assists for 28 points in 38 games.

[Enoch Root]

28G, 54P pace now

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I find these type of stats rarely match what I'm watching.

And it isn't because of some bias - I find that for basically all players. I think these stats stink.

I mean, pretty much all of us agree that Sharangovich has been one of the Flames' best forwards this year - some think THE best.

My eye test also shows him as a better player than those stats suggest. That said, he did have a pretty bad start with the Flames. 36 goals against when he's on the ice could be a coincidence, but they could also be a result of some mistakes defensively.

Personally, I see him making a lot of good defensive plays, so I can't explain it. However, even tonight, the Huberdeau - Lindholm - Sharangovich line got caught in their own zone for a 2 min shift.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Groot

Sharangovich now has 14 goals and 13 assist in 40 games.

Tyler Toffoli has 16 goals and 12 assists for 28 points in 38 games.

So who from the trade thread needs to fess up and eat crow?

The difference is negligible now. No one was expecting that. Good for Craig and his staff. They successfully got younger and didn't lose scoring (and didn't have to pay out the nose for an aging TT).

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Sharky might also be the best shootout guy we've ever had.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Ottawa is awful. Completely owned by a not-good Flame team other than the last minute in the first, and some decent power play time.

Last in the East isn’t so surprising, given that showing.

[Winsor_Pilates]

What was the significance for Backs tonight?
Didn't catch most of the game.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

So who from the trade thread needs to fess up and eat crow?

The difference is negligible now. No one was expecting that. Good for Craig and his staff. They successfully got younger and didn't lose scoring (and didn't have to pay out the nose for an aging TT).

I liked the trade at the time, but it would be silly for any of what you're suggesting to happen right now with half a season left.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

What was the significance for Backs tonight?
Didn't catch most of the game.

tied Gio for 2nd most games as a Flame

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I find these type of stats rarely match what I'm watching.

And it isn't because of some bias - I find that for basically all players. I think these stats stink.

I mean, pretty much all of us agree that Sharangovich has been one of the Flames' best forwards this year - some think THE best.

Thing is like any stats the context is key.

At 5v5 he hasn't had a lot of luck - hence the GA number being so jarring - but the .857 save percentage with him on the ice is abysmal. Like just terrible and that's not really on him at all.

The other thing is linemates and deployment.

Lindholm is worse than him in all those stats, and when you look at the stats with Lindholm vs without Lindholm it shows Sharangovich helping Lindholms numbers but it pulls down his own compared to his ice time away from Lindholm.

But a big part of that is deployment.

Kadri and Zary have even given the high ground most of the year. When Huberdeau was on the Backlund line they were given maybe less tough matchups than usual, so it was 88-28-17 that were getting tough minutes and were being worked over in that time.

So Overall he's been good, but the team has been a bit leaky defensively with him in the ice, and there is room for improvement for sure.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

My eye test also shows him as a better player than those stats suggest. That said, he did have a pretty bad start with the Flames. 36 goals against when he's on the ice could be a coincidence, but they could also be a result of some mistakes defensively.

Personally, I see him making a lot of good defensive plays, so I can't explain it. However, even tonight, the Huberdeau - Lindholm - Sharangovich line got caught in their own zone for a 2 min shift.

The thing is, he is pretty good defensively.

Maybe he has had bad luck / bad timing with line mates this year. Maybe he gets a lot of shifts with the 3rd defensive pairing.

That's another reason I don't like these stats, they probably reflect more about opportunity (line mates and usage) than they do about the individual player. If you're getting mostly defensive zone starts, getting matched against top lines, or are out there with terrible defensemen a lot, your numbers are going to be bad, regardless of your own contributions.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Shango also had his share of shifts with Huby when he was flipping free burgers to the other team and not helping offensively.

I'm glad to see that turn around a bit of late.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Thing is like any stats the context is key.

At 5v5 he hasn't had a lot of luck - hence the GA number being so jarring - but the .857 save percentage with him on the ice is abysmal. Like just terrible and that's not really on him at all.

The other thing is linemates and deployment.

Lindholm is worse than him in all those stats, and when you look at the stats with Lindholm vs without Lindholm it shows Sharangovich helping Lindholms numbers but it pulls down his own compared to his ice time away from Lindholm.

But a big part of that is deployment.

Kadri and Zary have even given the high ground most of the year. When Huberdeau was on the Backlund line they were given maybe less tough matchups than usual, so it was 88-28-17 that were getting tough minutes and were being worked over in that time.

So Overall he's been good, but the team has been a bit leaky defensively with him in the ice, and there is room for improvement for sure.

Yeah, I was just saying the same thing, but you said it better.

Bottom line: those stats say he hasn't been good, but that's primarily because of crappy goaltending when he's on the ice, and Lindholm's poor play (line mates and usage).

Crappy stats, and people take them as fact: 'this player is better than that player, just look at his CF% and SCF%' etc, etc