2023/24 Average NHL Attendance

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Lots of hot takes. Hard to pin point exactly whats going on Winnipeg but the local business community isn't buying tickets anywhere near at the pace of the rest of the league. Chipman and TNSE have been doing some work on that and hopefully the local business community sorts things out.

Attendance has been creeping back up and the last game of the year was a sell out. I don't expect it will be a long term issue, the Jets are in solid shape and have the wealthiest owners in the league who are committed to the city and developing inside the city, with projects like true north square.

Didn't Chipman say something about how they focused on 10 year STH commitments from normies opposed to opening it up to corporate STH was in hindsight part of the issue?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

I may be mistaken but their arena was worked on all throughout the 1980 season which eventually lead to it increasing from 10k to 15k. They didn't start the season with a 15k capacity which explains the numbers.

Quebec had good attendance and the team was profitable. The owner wanted to sell and someone took the chance on the huge potential that Colorado had.

Quebec isn't a bad market and people who say it is are just wrong. Quebec is just a "smaller" but surefire market and unfortunately Betman wants to swing for the fences when it comes to new teams even if one in every five turns into Atlanta or Arizona.

The owner wanted to sell because of financing issues and a rejected request for provincial money. No one said they struggled with ticket sales. They just didn't sell out as was suggested, even with a smaller arena. There was no corporate support and there was no TV attraction.

[Jordan!]

HAHA, Stupid Winnipeg.

Small Canadian dump of a City, who already lost a team.. who would've thought.

Move them back to Atlanta

[Mr.Coffee]

It is quite odd to chest thump when in a place of weakness.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

HAHA, Stupid Winnipeg.

Small Canadian dump of a City, who already lost a team.. who would've thought.

Move them back to Atlanta

Embarrassing lol.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

HAHA, Stupid Winnipeg.

Small Canadian dump of a City, who already lost a team.. who would've thought.

Move them back to Atlanta

At least they have an arena. Move the Coyotes to Atlanta.

[Dunnyberg]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

Quebec is different than Montreal. Financially, culturally, linguistically, etc..

I don't think Quebec would ever be able to attract Free Agents.

Yes, Quebec City is basically culturally monolithic, due to Quebec's low immigration rate. Heck, even Montreal is noticeably a lot less diverse than Calgary.

[greentree]

Does anyone here know what percentage of the Jets is owned by David Thomson?
His family's private holding company owns 100% of the Globe & Mail which is likely losing money. Or is barely--just barely--profitable. Yet the paper continues to spend and the product hasn't really diminished.
Point being, Thomson doesn't seem to care about profits when it comes to prestige assets.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

HAHA, Stupid Winnipeg.

Small Canadian dump of a City, who already lost a team.. who would've thought.

Move them back to Atlanta

You sure talk a lot of trash for a fan of a team that’s been out of the first round one time in their entire 27 year history. Columbus has a more illustrious playoff history.

[timun]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Guess why I started my list at 81? My list is from hockey db, btw, take it up with them.

It's not the raw attendance numbers that are wrong, it's your math on the percentage capacity. Re-read my post: the Colisée didn't expand seating capacity until the middle of the 1980-81 season. To get 77.6% of capacity you'd be assuming the seating capacity was 15,770 the whole year: the Colisée was never that big.

The Colisée's expanded seating didn't open until their 22nd home game on January 21, 1981 against the Sabres. And the actual capacity was 15,250 when the expansion opened, not 15,750.

The actual percentage of capacity was = 12,243 / ([(10,012 * 21)+(15,250 * 19)]/40) = 12,243 / 12,500 = 97.9%

[timun]

Anyone care to take a guess?

Originally Posted by timun

Guess the team:

79-80 — 84.3%*
80-81 — 76.0%
81-82 — 81.9%
82-83 — 90.4%
83-84 — 94.0%
84-85 — 91.7%
85-86 — 86.0%
86-87 — 83.9%
87-88 — 94.9%
88-89 — 97.5%
89-90 — 99.1%
90-91 — 99.3%
91-92 — 98.8%
92-93 — 98.5%
93-94 — 96.9%
94-95 — 99.0%

Red highlighted years are years where fewer tickets were sold as a percentage of capacity as compared to the Nordiques; orange highlighted years are where the percentage was higher, but the actual number of attendees was still lower than the Nordiques. (* in '79-'80 this team had a bigger arena than the Nordiques)

Spoiler!

That other team is the BRUINS! The Nordiques over their 16 seasons in the NHL put 9,159,880 butts in seats out of 9,510,240 possible ticket sales, while the Bruins had a mere 8,556,840 tickets sold out of 9,283,800. The Nordiques—categorically—did NOT move because of poor attendance.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Then why didn't they when they had a team? They didn't struggle for ticket sales, but they never sold out (mind you their arena only held 15700 or so).

81:77.6%
82:96.0%
83:95.6%
84:95.1%
85:94.4%
86:93.8%
87:94.1%
88:94.8%
89:92.3%
90:95.7%
91:90.0%
92:86.7%
93:95.1%
94:92.7%
95:91.3%

Quebec City population:

1995- 667,000
2023- 884,000

+33%

Inflation adjusted ticket prices are likely to be way more however, so I don't know how much that would translate into higher sustained attendance.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The owner wanted to sell because of financing issues and a rejected request for provincial money. No one said they struggled with ticket sales. They just didn't sell out as was suggested, even with a smaller arena. There was no corporate support and there was no TV attraction.

The provincial money was in relation to a new arena, the whole debacle started because the arena they were in was built in the 40s. Even with the renovations the place was still very dated. The city wanted no part of a new arena, the government wanted no part of a new arena and the owners wanted backing from both. The Nordiques were making money but the deal the eventual Colorado Avalanche owners gave them was too good to refuse. The deal was almost double what the Whalers had received the year prior (45 million vs 75 million)..

One of the reasons today that provinces and cities (in Canada) get worried about losing thier team is due to the Nordiques.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Sounds like someone that wasn't alive in the 80's to see that the Nordiques never played in front of 15,750 capacity crowds regularly. It's a smaller market than Winnipeg and they would have an extremely difficult time filling an arena on a regular basis or attracting players to play in the market. It's why they will never get a team.

Quebec metro is slightly larger than Winnipeg metro.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ions_in_Canada

Also, 2.9 M live within 200 km of Quebec, and 1.3 M live within 200 km of Winnipeg.

https://www.maps.ie/population/

[Joborule]

Those Winnipeg numbers shows why there was a fair amount of skepticism in Winnipeg being a long term viable market. Things have to go perfect for them to continue to keep selling out in their under capacity arena, and that's not happening with one of the best teams they've had since coming back. If the economy for Winnipeg doesn't improve, which brings with it increased population, then I don't think the team is long for that city within a decade.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

HAHA, Stupid Winnipeg.

Small Canadian dump of a City, who already lost a team.. who would've thought.

Move them back to Atlanta

Glass Houses.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

HAHA, Stupid Winnipeg.

Small Canadian dump of a City, who already lost a team.. who would've thought.

Move them back to Atlanta

Haha yes Winnipegs attendance is down, unlinke most teams with corporate season ticket holders the Jets was almost strictly fan based. Between covid and now the economy the 15k sellouts aren't there. But this post is a joke. You're seriously getting excited as you barely fill up a 5 thousand person arena, while the league has propped you up for 10+ years? Classy. Congrats.

[dino7c]

What's gonna happen when the Jets suck though?

[cam_calderon]

Four-figure crowds.