Practice Notes - Nov 13: Forward lines shake up

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

I miss Sutter.

yeah he never changed the lines when they were working lol!

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

CP says Huberdeau and Lindholm isnt working and they need to try something else.



Backlund makes players on his line better. Huska puts Huberdeau with Backlund likely to try and get him going and CP has a hissy fit.

Are you new here?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Still miss him. He was a goalie away from having a contender last season and we were a favorite heading into the playoffs, the previous season.

Nope. They played on the board and gave up too many grade As.

They weren’t a goalie away from anything

[Paulie Walnuts]

I know the shakeup makes it seem like we need to get Huberdeau going and we do and he has to be better but man Lindholm is escaping a lot of the heat thanks to Huberdeau. He has been downright terrible.

A complete ghost for the majority of the games. We are lucky he didn't accept our 8.5 million offer because that is looking like an overpay right now.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Nope. They played on the board and gave up too many grade As.

They weren’t a goalie away from anything

I mean they had 93 points with 800s goaltending

they did something right its okay to admit it

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Nope. They played on the board and gave up too many grade As.

They weren’t a goalie away from anything

A goalie away from being a playoff team is likely but by no means a contender.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think his point is correct.

No goalie would have helped us unless they turned in a all time historical performance.

We gave far too many easy looks for teams and often it would be the first few shots the goalies saw.

You can't expect a goalie to get cold for 10 minutes and him to all of a sudden start saving odd man rushes and grade a chances as his first bit of work.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

CP says Huberdeau and Lindholm isnt working and they need to try something else.

Backlund makes players on his line better. Huska puts Huberdeau with Backlund likely to try and get him going and CP has a hissy fit.

What is wrong with people? Why can't everyone think the same way?

[868904]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I know the shakeup makes it seem like we need to get Huberdeau going and we do and he has to be better but man Lindholm is escaping a lot of the heat thanks to Huberdeau. He has been downright terrible.

A complete ghost for the majority of the games. We are lucky he didn't accept our 8.5 million offer because that is looking like an overpay right now.

I know Huberdeau is your boy and you need to protect him but Lindholm has not been nearly as bad. In fact, Gary Galley went out of his way to praise how great a game Lindholm had against the Leafs, and he was right. Lindholm had a great game against the Leafs, he didn’t have much points to show for it, but he was engaged and making things happen.

Lindholm’s game isn’t about flash and standing out. Patrice Bergeron never stood out. Lindholm brings so much more to the team than a scoring winger does. He’s out their on key face offs, he’s killing penalties, he’s on the main power play unit.

Lindholm is not a $9 million dollar guy, but he’s still worth more than what he makes right now. He’s really not the problem at all. He’s carrying an anchor on his LW right now and you expect him to look good offensively? He’s doing everything defensively for that line and he also has to carry the offence for the $10 million dollar guy? Lindholm isn’t the one being benched. Lindholm is the one leading the forward in ice time. That tells you all you need to know about what the coaches think of his game.

Again, Lindholm is not worth $9 (he’s worth $8 million easy), but still I’d rather trade him cause he’s going to get a big return and this team needs to retool. Bruins and Avs really need him and every other contender could use him as a RW too. He will be the most coveted deadline piece if the Flames are smart enough to put him out there.

All I want from Lindholm is to stay healthy so he can be traded at the deadline.

[genetic_phreek]

Ruzicka - Lindholm - Mangiapane
Zary - Kadri - Pospisil
Huberdeau - Backlund - Sharangovich
Greer - Dube - Coleman

Easy

[dino7c]

Flames had the best start in franchise history and Sutter was like "nah, too much offence, Lucic get ready for top six ice time"

[rohara66]

Backlund's been making his linemates look good/great for years... glad they're putting Huby with him. Lets all hope it works!

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by 868904

I know Huberdeau is your boy and you need to protect him but Lindholm has not been nearly as bad. In fact, Gary Galley went out of his way to praise how great a game Lindholm had against the Leafs, and he was right. Lindholm had a great game against the Leafs, he didn’t have much points to show for it, but he was engaged and making things happen.

Lindholm’s game isn’t about flash and standing out. Patrice Bergeron never stood out. Lindholm brings so much more to the team than a scoring winger does. He’s out their on key face offs, he’s killing penalties, he’s on the main power play unit.

Lindholm is not a $9 million dollar guy, but he’s still worth more than what he makes right now. He’s really not the problem at all. He’s carrying an anchor on his LW right now and you expect him to look good offensively? He’s doing everything defensively for that line and he also has to carry the offence for the $10 million dollar guy? Lindholm isn’t the one being benched. Lindholm is the one leading the forward in ice time. That tells you all you need to know about what the coaches think of his game.

Again, Lindholm is not worth $9 (he’s worth $8 million easy), but still I’d rather trade him cause he’s going to get a big return and this team needs to retool. Bruins and Avs really need him and every other contender could use him as a RW too. He will be the most coveted deadline piece if the Flames are smart enough to put him out there.

All I want from Lindholm is to stay healthy so he can be traded at the deadline.

His numbers are actually in the toilet without Huberdeau so I don't think that's the issue.

He also missed a bunch of open nets and bobbles the puck like a gernande.

His defensive game is also very overrated. He was propped up by Tkachuk and Gaudreau who did the majority of the heavy lifting for that line.

He's also been losing a lot of key faceoffs especially on the power play. Lindholm absolutely has been terrible and I agree we need to trade him and get a haul as we rebuild this thing.

As a C he needs to carry his line and he can't. He's a good player but not a 8 million player let alone his ask of 9.5 a year. Like you said he will be turned into a winger on the team he goes too. I don't ever recall Bergeron being talked about as a winger and theh aren't really close either he's not Bergeron lite.

[Always Earned Never Given]

Hopefully they are working on a system shake-up as well.

All I heard since the hiring was that they were changing to zone coverage instead of man in the D zone and being more creative in the O zone (whatever that is suppose to mean).

I guess they forgot about the neutral zone (transition offense/ protecting blue line defense) as this is where most games are won in today's NHL.

Also regarding the D zone coverage, I would rather have (LW or RW),LD and RD protect 1 third of the low zone and let Center and (LW or RW) protect 1/2 of the high zone each.

Yes the good ole Left wing lock but with a twist.

I prefer the 2 best skaters (forwards) protect the top of the zone as there is more room to cover.
Let the "weakest" forward skater help out the D.

There is more to it but I believe each line should play to their system (identity).

Not all players are good forecheckers.
Not all players have the knack of getting their sticks in passing lanes.
Not all players have the ability to read plays before they develop.
Not all players have the same skillset to manage the puck.
Not all players have the ability to find the quiet/open areas.

From what I hear coaches try to teach a "universal" system to all their players?

But why?


Sorry if the explanation isn't clear. Much easier to explain on the ice!

[dissentowner]

We are where we are now, the damage is done, let Huska help sewer the team until we are ready to compete again, then show him the door.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I mean they had 93 points with 800s goaltending

they did something right its okay to admit it

Oh for sure. Great possession metrics

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

His numbers are actually in the toilet without Huberdeau so I don't think that's the issue.

He also missed a bunch of open nets and bobbles the puck like a gernande.

His defensive game is also very overrated. He was propped up by Tkachuk and Gaudreau who did the majority of the heavy lifting for that line.

He's also been losing a lot of key faceoffs especially on the power play. Lindholm absolutely has been terrible and I agree we need to trade him and get a haul as we rebuild this thing.

As a C he needs to carry his line and he can't. He's a good player but not a 8 million player let alone his ask of 9.5 a year. Like you said he will be turned into a winger on the team he goes too. I don't ever recall Bergeron being talked about as a winger and theh aren't really close either he's not Bergeron lite.

Guys guys.. they can both be bad. Lindholm is basically Backlund with a bit more offense and bit less defense and less intensity/grit. Backlund never got to play with a winger like Gaudreau to prop up his numbers like Lindholm did here.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

We are where we are now, the damage is done, let Huska help sewer the team until we are ready to compete again, then show him the door.

All that really matters is that within a week to 10 days we will most likely be in 31st or 32nd place, remain there for the entire year and lose the draft lottery.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

I miss Sutter.

But...."FUN"!!!

[Flamesfan05]

Lindholm has been a disappointment the 1st day Huberdeau arrived. Absolutely horrible from the get go

He has never been more than a 50-60 pt scorer without 2 star players on his line, not just 1

Disappointed that Conroy has not figured that out by now.