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Old 10-30-2023, 10:33 AM   #41
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The biggest concern for me is the teams lack of assets.

The major assets we had we turned into liabilities and the only ones we have left, if we over-pay, will be liabilities as well.
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Old 10-30-2023, 10:38 AM   #42
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You have commented on multiple Flames games this season
Awfully Creepy that you've noticed - you've been here since 2011 and I have no idea who you are. This was the first game I've watched in it's entirety because I had the ability to do so.. It was streaming on Max app.

Everything else is highlights and twitter clips.
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If we embrace the suck now, we have a chance to open the arena with a good young fast team.
Problem is if the organization is smart enough to embrace the suck and not make bad decisions like signing pending UFA's or making a desperate win now trade. It looks like the team is doing a good job at forcing a rebuild. Let's hope management is forced to accept.
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Problem is if the organization is smart enough to embrace the suck and not make bad decisions like signing pending UFA's or making a desperate win now trade. It looks like the team is doing a good job at forcing a rebuild. Let's hope management is forced to accept.
Also, if things stay as they are you're only JUST over halfway past the Hubereau and Kadri deals when a new rink opens. Not ideal.
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Old 10-30-2023, 10:43 AM   #45
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Problem is if the organization is smart enough to embrace the suck and not make bad decisions like signing pending UFA's or making a desperate win now trade. It looks like the team is doing a good job at forcing a rebuild. Let's hope management is forced to accept.
Someone needs to tell Edwards about all the potential money he can make with a better team to open the arena.

Playoff revenue.

Charging us a premium to come to a building we paid for to watch the Flames.
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Old 10-30-2023, 10:48 AM   #46
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Its painful to think of what could have been last year. When tkachuk asked out, the flames had a great opportunity to either move him for mostly/all futures or a massive package of win now players. They chose the latter. Huberdeau and Weegar both had 1 year left of sweetheart contracts. Rather than extending them, they could've sold 1 or both for easily another 1st each, maybe even more.
Tkachuk for 3 1sts + looks pretty good for a rebuild.
Lets assume they dont then use that first to offload monahan and sign kadri.
Going into the draft with lets say 2 firsts, 2024 with 2, and 2025 with 2 is a hell of a start to a rebuild. Not to mention the insane cap space they would have to potentially take on bad contracts for 1 or 2 years to add multiple 2nds and 3rds on top of that.

Huge opportunity that was completely ignored
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Old 10-30-2023, 10:50 AM   #47
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Biggest concern is not committing to do the things that need to be done organizationally. I mean, if I were Conroy I wouldn't have accepted the job without the knowledge of what the plan would be should the year not go well. It was 50/50 back in May/June about whether this year would improve or go worse. Only a bit into the season it may be too early to call it but you have to be ready to pull the trigger on improving organizationally.

I don't think you bring in Huska, Iginla, etc. without a longer term view of this organization. While they all may not be transparent about it I also don't think they are stupid. Same with Mikael Backlund, i'm not sure he re-signs here without an knowledge that it could go worse.

And finally I do believe you can go through a rebuild/retool or whatever successfully with Huberdeau and to a lesser extent Kadri on your payroll to the point where they are less important 4/5 years down the road when you can be competitive again. Is it great to pay them 17 million? No, but frankly that is the Flames' own doing.
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Old 10-30-2023, 10:52 AM   #48
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The biggest concern for me are the anchor contracts and the feedback loop they create. What players are going to want to play for, or stay with the Flames, when you have contracts that prevent the team from being able improve or compete?
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Old 10-30-2023, 10:54 AM   #49
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- no game breaker on offense
- too many guys that don’t hate losing
- too many guys that back down from physical play

The Flames are a very soft team. Other teams must love playing them.
Basically what Sutter said.



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Old 10-30-2023, 10:55 AM   #50
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The biggest concern for me are the anchor contracts and the feedback loop they create. What players are going to want to play for, or stay with the Flames, when you have contracts that prevent the team from being able improve or compete?
We only have like 5 signed players for 2026 that total like 25 million in cap hits.

Its not that dire.
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My biggest concerns are the fans that keep showing up to games. What incentive is there for the ownership group to change tact when they're raking in the money? Only thing we can do is not give the team our money.
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The biggest concern for me are the anchor contracts and the feedback loop they create. What players are going to want to play for, or stay with the Flames, when you have contracts that prevent the team from being able improve or compete?
My biggest concern is Florida finishing bottom ten this year or next
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My biggest concerns are the fans that keep showing up to games. What incentive is there for the ownership group to change tact when they're raking in the money? Only thing we can do is not give the team our money.
I get that, but some fans have already invested their money. Season ticket base is at, what, 13K? or something like that. Renewal for next year might be something but....if people want a spot at a seat for the new arena they are going to want to stick around.
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The biggest concern is extending any player.
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Old 10-30-2023, 10:59 AM   #55
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The biggest concern is extending any player.
That doesn't concern me as much as the dollar amount that it would take, which would most likely give us another immovable contract.
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Old 10-30-2023, 11:00 AM   #56
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We only have like 5 signed players for 2026 that total like 25 million in cap hits.

Its not that dire.
Depends how you look at it I guess. I see 4 players signed for 2026-27 at $28.6 million. Probably only Weegar going to provide good value.

So you still need to build an entire team.

That is a good situation if you still plan on rebuilding at that point I guess. Not so good if you have a lot of good players that you need to pay.
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Old 10-30-2023, 11:10 AM   #57
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I get that, but some fans have already invested their money. Season ticket base is at, what, 13K? or something like that. Renewal for next year might be something but....if people want a spot at a seat for the new arena they are going to want to stick around.
People aren't going to pay twice the money just to check out the new arena more than once. We have thousands of empty seats at most games, and I don't see that changing for the next few seasons.
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Old 10-30-2023, 11:13 AM   #58
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People aren't going to pay twice the money just to check out the new arena more than once. We have thousands of empty seats at most games, and I don't see that changing for the next few seasons.
Neither do I. But there are enough people that will pay that because they can.

What will really start to hurt is if corporate sponsors and boxes stop selling.
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Old 10-30-2023, 11:13 AM   #59
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People aren't going to pay twice the money just to check out the new arena more than once. We have thousands of empty seats at most games, and I don't see that changing for the next few seasons.
Not very fun to spend a bunch of money to watch your favourite team lose and not have many players to get excited about.
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Old 10-30-2023, 11:15 AM   #60
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Yeah but the 4th line isn't getting caved in on a nightly basis.
I think the problem was Sutter, who really wanted to gift them minutes when they should be getting like 5-6min of icetime per game tops.

I get that people wanted him gone because he was a black hole of possession but there's no denying he brought an element to the team that we are now missing, and not only that - we're feeling it very early into the season too and it's only going to get worse.
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