What can we do about Huberdeau and Kadri?

[ComixZone]

Try and see what you can get for Huberdeau by retaining $2-$3.5M AAV.

Try and see what you can get for Kadri by retaining up to $1M AAV.

$3-4.5M AAV in dead cap space really just isn’t that big of a deal. Commit to a rebuild, and just close the book on this run.

If you can’t get them out the door with some minor retention, then you just ride them out.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Hope we draft some blue-chip forward prospects in the next few years and they both have late career resurgences playing with them

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Team should not trade any pick. That’s their only chance of escaping this hell.

What’s the point of getting rid of Huby and Kadri and no pick left to make improvements?

If all it takes is a 1st round pick to move one of these, do it. You can easily take someone else’s Loui Eriksson and Jay Beagle for a year to get a top 10 pick back.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Try and see what you can get for Huberdeau by retaining $2-$3.5M AAV.

Try and see what you can get for Kadri by retaining up to $1M AAV.

$3-4.5M AAV in dead cap space really just isn’t that big of a deal. Commit to a rebuild, and just close the book on this run.

If you can’t get them out the door with some minor retention, then you just ride them out.

If they’re this bad, why?

You’re packaging a pick in that trade even with money retained. That’s crazy.

[Buff]

We gave a 1st to Montreal to take the last year of Monahan's contract.... what if we trade Huberdeau somewhere and sweeten the pot by giving them.... Kadri?

How do we sell that to them? Easy. You want to rebuild? Take these two guys, they'll get you that 1st pick!

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by butterfly

If all it takes is a 1st round pick to move one of these, do it. You can easily take someone else’s Loui Eriksson and Jay Beagle for a year to get a top 10 pick back.

No.

You can’t trade picks. Freeing up the cap space is useless without having your own picks.

This team needs to be built on picks, and if Huby and Kadri have to be pieces of furniture collecting dust in the corner while it happens then so be it.

It hurts way, way more to trade picks than to retain salary.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The bright side is that their cap hits won't really matter during a rebuild. The tail end of Huberdeau's might be an issue

If Huberdeau and Kadri continue to play like this, it's the best possible scenario for a rebuild. Their cap hits prevent the owners from signing anyone good for another 3-4 years. The team is going to be absolute garbage for the next 3-4 years, where they'll draft very high. By the time those high draft picks are ready to renew their contracts, Huberdeau and Kadri's contracts will be winding down.

The only thing stopping the Flames from getting blown out horribly in all these losses so far this season is Jakob Markstrom. The team is playing like garbage.

This is the closest the Flames will ever get to allowing a rebuild. And having $18 million in immovable garbage contracts is the only way it happens. Even Backlund looks uninspired. He's refusing to block shots anymore. The only good forwards through this last stretch have been Mangiapane and Lindholm. Neither is signed long-term. Replace them with two more overpaid UFAs. It'll solidify the tank.

Such an about 180 for me, after watching the Flames seemingly come out of the gate hot.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If they’re this bad, why?

You’re packaging a pick in that trade even with money retained. That’s crazy.

Retain salary and see if someone takes them without any sweetener. I think we’d get bites at the proposed retentions.

If not, then you just suck with them on the roster and make good use of your draft picks.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by butterfly

If all it takes is a 1st round pick to move one of these, do it. You can easily take someone else’s Loui Eriksson and Jay Beagle for a year to get a top 10 pick back.

The Flames first is going to be lottery if not top 5, especially if you trade their top players

No lottery team is going to give you a pick to get rid of a player

[blankall]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Try and see what you can get for Huberdeau by retaining $2-$3.5M AAV.

Try and see what you can get for Kadri by retaining up to $1M AAV.

$3-4.5M AAV in dead cap space really just isn’t that big of a deal. Commit to a rebuild, and just close the book on this run.

If you can’t get them out the door with some minor retention, then you just ride them out.

Why? If Huberdeau and Kadri are this bad, and only likely to get worse as they get older, just let them play it out and bring the team down with them.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Retain salary and see if someone takes them without any sweetener. I think we’d get bites at the proposed retentions.

If not, then you just suck with them on the roster and make good use of your draft picks.

Ah, yeah that makes more sense. Though I have to agree with blankall and say it’d be better to let them sink the team for a few years. Would hate to replace them with guys that actually care and are fighting for a contract just to see the team bounce back a little.

If we’re gonna rebuild, let’s be absolute crap.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Team should not trade any pick. That’s their only chance of escaping this hell.

What’s the point of getting rid of Huby and Kadri and no pick left to make improvements?

I think an argument could be made for sacrificing a 2nd or later pick if it meant moving on from these deals because of how bad they are based on the likelihood (or unlikelihood) that a 2nd round pick will turn into much. The real issue will be to make one or two max of these types of deals rather than giving the picks away like Candy so we are left with 3 picks in a draft with the earliest being in the 3rd round.

I would also hope that we would be moving others so that we had an excess of picks leaving us still with more picks overall than if we just left it.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

No.

You can’t trade picks. Freeing up the cap space is useless without having your own picks.

This team needs to be built on picks, and if Huby and Kadri have to be pieces of furniture collecting dust in the corner while it happens then so be it.

It hurts way, way more to trade picks than to retain salary.

I don't think there are many teams that can afford kadri at 6m for 7 years let alone will want to take him for that much. He is likely a guy you need to retain 50% to try and get someone to bite and even then I doubt you have much interest.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

No.

You can’t trade picks. Freeing up the cap space is useless without having your own picks.

This team needs to be built on picks, and if Huby and Kadri have to be pieces of furniture collecting dust in the corner while it happens then so be it.

It hurts way, way more to trade picks than to retain salary.

There exists some price at which it makes sense to trade these contracts. I’m sure we all disagree about what it is, but it nonetheless exists.

As I said, I don’t believe the 1st rounders can be traded as they are encumbered by the Monahan conditions but I could be wrong about that.

Upon regaining the cap space you can weaponize it year after year by bailing out good teams with bad one year deals. Arizona got Guenther just by doing this.

And who’s to say a ‘27 pick would be better or worse than a ‘24?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by blankall

Why? If Huberdeau and Kadri are this bad, and only likely to get worse as they get older, just let them play it out and bring the team down with them.

Yeah, was just going to say this too.
We don't want to be just a little bad, we might as well be fully bad and get higher draft picks.

Trading them away in hockey trades to try and slightly improve now is the worst possible choice.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Yeah, was just going to say this too.
We don't want to be just a little bad, we might as well be fully bad and get higher draft picks.

Trading them away in hockey trades to try and slightly improve now is the worst possible choice.

My question is does Murray Edwards let you rebuild if he is paying Hubredeau 10.5m and Kadri 7m a season?

Them being here seems to give the team and some fans the illusion that we can compete if we just get the right line mates and give it time.

[skcli]

Trade Huberdoll for a bag of poutine LOL

[calumniate]

Have a bellini for Celebrini

[bax]

They will help the Flames reach the cap floor during the rebuild. As the max increases so will the minimum.

Time to accept this and get as many picks as possible over the next 3-4 drafts.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Spurs

My question is does Murray Edwards let you rebuild if he is paying Hubredeau 10.5m and Kadri 7m a season?

Them being here seems to give the team and some fans the illusion that we can compete if we just get the right line mates and give it time.

Does he have a choice if Huberdeau and Kadri are occupying such a huge portion of the cap and are horrible? A couple of complimentary players aren't going to do a thing, if the main pieces are this bad.

Keeping Kadri and Huberdeau might actually be the only way to get a "Rebuild". If Edwards has cap space, he's likely to demand that the team pay for other UFAs, that are actually good, and the team might end up mediocre again.